Gun Safety Trigger - incorrect behavior

[Shmal]

So, now we have incorrect key mapping for gun safety trigger!

We have hold type of command for gun safety trigger and as a result, we need keep it pressed in first position and pull it further to second detent to fire.

In reality pilot swaps gun safety trigger down and then pulls it by finger and depress the gun firing button under it!

 

Please fix it, because we'd like to make correct key mapping for our joysticks! 

Thank you!

 

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

4 minutes ago, Shmal said:

Please fix it, because we'd like to make correct key mapping for our joysticks! 

Depends on which joystick you use. It works brilliantly with my T50CM2 grip.

[Shmal]

We have no key mapping to swap gun safety trigger up and down! Need to have mapping like Ka-50 has. First command to fold it down, second command to unfold it and third command to fire! Now we have two only to fold and fire! Is it clear?

Edited Saturday at 09:10 PM by Shmal

[muffler]

In a real aircraft, there's no need to hold the trigger down. Simply flip it over and, when ready, press it to fire. Therefore, the input settings should have three commands: fold, unfold, and fire. On the VKB joystick, for example, in the KA-50 and Mirage F1 modules, this combination works perfectly with the folding trigger. Why the developers decided to only have two commands seems odd to me. It's unrealistic, simplifies a highly detailed module, and still prevents the VKB joystick from realizing trigger control.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

I’m not sure how it works with VKB, but with my Virpil grip, I bind “gun first detent” to ‘flip trigger up’ and “gun second detent” to the first detent of my actual trigger. It works flawlessly: flipping up the trigger activates gun mode and makes the two-stage trigger available for use (it is no longer blocked by the flip up trigger). Flipping the trigger down deselects gun mode and returns to inboard/outboard whichever was in use.

 There is an alternative that also works. Simply use the flip up trigger in the up position as default, bind trigger down to “gun first detent” and pull flip up trigger to “gun second detent”. This also frees the use of the dual stage trigger for something else…

Either way works, but the former is more intuitive to use in my opinion, since I often use the flip up trigger as master arm switch in other modules.

Edited Saturday at 09:47 PM by Raven (Elysian Angel)
Typo

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

45 minutes ago, Shmal said:

We have no key mapping to swap gun safety trigger up and down!

Yes, we do: say the flip up trigger activates button 5 in the DCS bindings. That way “gun safety trigger up” is ‘Button 5’ and “gun safety down” is ‘Button 5_OFF’. This works just fine, as described above.

But you don’t actually need 3 bindings, just 2: “gun safety up” is called “gun first detent” in the control bindings.

Edited Saturday at 09:55 PM by Raven (Elysian Angel)

[muffler]

Currently: "The animations for the cannon trigger and the missile trigger to be swapped."

Today we have no animation of cannon trigger at all. So I'm doubt about logic of triggers in DCS. Lets delay discussion antil we get a fix.

 

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

6 hours ago, muffler said:

Currently: "The animations for the cannon trigger and the missile trigger to be swapped."

Today we have no animation of cannon trigger at all. So I'm doubt about logic of triggers in DCS. Lets delay discussion antil we get a fix.

 

Sure, but that note is about animation - and this thread is about keybinds.  And the need for additional binds has already been reported:

 

[AeriaGloria]

I would like it if first detent could also be made a “toggle.” A lot of us don’t have tons of switches or dual detent triggers