WOW!

[sylkhan]

You said sustained turn rate is 21°/s at 500 Knots, but it should be 21°/s at 460 knots, big big difference !

With a turn rate of 21°/s at 500 Knots, the ED mig29 is a pig with wings

Edited Tuesday at 06:41 PM by sylkhan

[AeriaGloria]

I mean only F-18 of modern seems to equal this STR 

[Lidozin]

5 hours ago, AeriaGloria said:

Very good job. It shows it hits the manual numbers, but it seems to me to be in very narrow windows. For example, you mention it achieves 9 G 30 kmh higher then manual chart says. Either way, it is huge improvement of nearly 3 degrees sustained over previous flight model, and shows how bad it does at high speed 

This is interesting information. However, I’d really like to know (perhaps I simply missed the performance data for the earlier variant) where your figure of a 3-degrees-per-second difference in turn rate comes from, and why you’re referring to a sustained turn when the video was clearly discussing instantaneous turn rate.

[AeriaGloria]

2 hours ago, Lidozin said:

This is interesting information. However, I’d really like to know (perhaps I simply missed the performance data for the earlier variant) where your figure of a 3-degrees-per-second difference in turn rate comes from, and why you’re referring to a sustained turn when the video was clearly discussing instantaneous turn rate.

Well, Contact Lights EM of the previous flight model showed 18.1 deg/s sustained, 25.5 instant, so it’s markedly improved in both. That’s what I’m referencing. Your video talks about sustained rate also. It is the whole point of your center line on EM. 
 

Also you got 21.0, not like 21.3 or 21.5 right? 
 

And I assume for ITR you did turn off the AOA limiter COC-3 when testing? 

Open Subsonic_Energy_Maneuverability_Diagrams_for_DCS_202304 6.pdf

Edited Wednesday at 12:44 AM by AeriaGloria

[Lidozin]

8 hours ago, AeriaGloria said:

Well, Contact Lights EM of the previous flight model showed 18.1 deg/s sustained, 25.5 instant, so it’s markedly improved in both. That’s what I’m referencing. Your video talks about sustained rate also. It is the whole point of your center line on EM. 
 

Also you got 21.0, not like 21.3 or 21.5 right? 
 

And I assume for ITR you did turn off the AOA limiter COC-3 when testing? 

Open Subsonic_Energy_Maneuverability_Diagrams_for_DCS_202304 6.pdf 13.44 MB · 0 downloads

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[AeriaGloria]

Sure but I doubt that even 1,862 kg lighter the old FM was performing as well as the new one. 

[Lidozin]

Now that you know the speed range where the sustained turn rate reaches its maximum and remains nearly flat, set the aircraft mass to each of the two values you mentioned and run the test directly in the simulator at those same speeds. Then compare the results.

If maintaining a full 360° sustained turn is difficult, just capture the most stable portion of the turn instead. Use the heading change shown in the status bar together with the elapsed time to calculate the turn rate. That will give you a clear, quantitative difference between the two masses.

And just as a reminder, there’s a reason why every Ps diagram and every ROT chart always specifies the exact aircraft mass for the given case — mass is a fundamental parameter that directly shapes the sustained turn envelope.