Envee Posted Monday at 01:30 PM Posted Monday at 01:30 PM So wanted to see a new default view where the view was not looking down by default. Copied the lua. Started game. I picked marianas ww2 and free flight - the top most selection. I just wanted to get in and see what the view was, but starting in the air. When loaded in i saw the island off in the distance with red markers on targets. Not blue. Blue to me meaning friendlies as was the case up until this game start. I load in and all targets around me are red. I see two planes in front of me. Cant really make them out. I see planes in the distance and tags say 190 A-8. So i know they are german. Did not pay attention too much to the tags of the planes in front of me which are in red. Game mode suggested no threat level so the red planes in front of me remaining "neutral" and not attacking me right away which was expected. So i pop a few roads off just for fun on one of the two in front after seeing that the new view is slightly higher up and does not look down by a few degrees anymore. Cool. Plane in front is on fire and dives away. Same with second plane after a squirt. I start to go for the 190's off in the distance. I shoot them down and quit game. Game says i was guilty of fratricide and my score has been reset. Uh...ok..so those red planes were mustangs? Why were they red? To me red means bad, kill, its the enemy. Shoot to kill, down them, eliminate them Does the free flight selection make them red?
razo+r Posted Monday at 01:47 PM Posted Monday at 01:47 PM (edited) The color of the friendlies depends on the mission. You can chose between two (three but disregard the third one) coalitions, red or blue (either as the mission designer or if there are multiple playable aircraft, you can select the coalition). So if you are part of the red coalition, all friendlies will be red while the enemy will be blue. The opposite being the case for being part of the blue coalition. Besides that, it shows in the briefing what aircraft are in your coalition and which ones are in the enemy coalition. It also shows you which coalition you belong to. In your case, in that mission, you are part of the red coalition, like every other unit on the map, so everyone was you allied unit. Edited Monday at 01:54 PM by razo+r 1
Envee Posted Monday at 02:16 PM Author Posted Monday at 02:16 PM 27 minutes ago, razo+r said: The color of the friendlies depends on the mission. You can chose between two (three but disregard the third one) coalitions, red or blue (either as the mission designer or if there are multiple playable aircraft, you can select the coalition). So if you are part of the red coalition, all friendlies will be red while the enemy will be blue. The opposite being the case for being part of the blue coalition. Besides that, it shows in the briefing what aircraft are in your coalition and which ones are in the enemy coalition. It also shows you which coalition you belong to. In your case, in that mission, you are part of the red coalition, like every other unit on the map, so everyone was you allied unit. Sorry, i should have said this is the Instant Action button at the top. You pick airplane on left, type of mission in middle and map on right. No means to select coalitions. No toggle for any of that. As soon as you pick the three you are loading game and will be ingame
razo+r Posted Monday at 02:21 PM Posted Monday at 02:21 PM (edited) 9 minutes ago, Envee said: Sorry, i should have said this is the Instant Action button at the top. You pick airplane on left, type of mission in middle and map on right. No means to select coalitions. No toggle for any of that. As soon as you pick the three you are loading game and will be ingame Yes, the mission designer did design it in such a way that everyone in that specific mission belongs to the red coalition. The first part of my previous message was just general information. And like I said, in that specific mission, everything belongs to the red coalition. Check the briefing to see what units belong to your coalition, what units belong to the enemy coalition and most importantly, which coalition you are part of. Edited Monday at 02:27 PM by razo+r 2
Envee Posted Monday at 04:44 PM Author Posted Monday at 04:44 PM Why did they add stuff to a free flight only mission that looks like it is a target? The mission maker even specifically changed the color of the friendlies to make it appear as if they are the enemy. On top of that you get severely punished with a pilot points reset to zero if you do act on your impulse to shoot the red that normally represents the enemy. I mean i am not allowed to say here how stupid of a move that really is. They are almost baiting people on mission start to shoot stuff and then punishing them for it when mission ends. Did they think people would not shoot at red labeled targets even though for the last 326 hours they have shot at anything and everything that is red. I am just glad that i started in earnest, this week, to back up pilot log so i can actually reverse this bonehead move, i hope. I hope. Thanks for clarifying
razo+r Posted Monday at 04:56 PM Posted Monday at 04:56 PM Just now, Envee said: Why did they add stuff to a free flight only mission that looks like it is a target? It's a free flight mission in a video game, you can do whatever you want... Just now, Envee said: The mission maker even specifically changed the color of the friendlies to make it appear as if they are the enemy. On top of that you get severely punished with a pilot points reset to zero if you do act on your impulse to shoot the red that normally represents the enemy. I mean i am not allowed to say here how stupid of a move that really is. That's just a matter of what you are used to. If you are used to fly REDFOR aircraft, you are used to see red being friendly and blue being enemy. Simple as that. But who knows, maybe it is exactly the intend of the mission makes to make people engage the things that fly around by setting them to the red coalition, who knows. Would be simpler than to make every unit ignore you instead. Just now, Envee said: They are almost baiting people on mission start to shoot stuff and then punishing them for it when mission ends. Did they think people would not shoot at red labeled targets even though for the last 326 hours they have shot at anything and everything that is red. I am just glad that i started in earnest, this week, to back up pilot log so i can actually reverse this bonehead move, i hope. I hope. Thanks for clarifying It's a free flight mission, you can do whatever you want, there are no consequences besides getting your score set to 0. But do you really care so much about what your score is? And by the way it does not reset the score in your logbook, only in the mission, so there is literally no consequency of killing friendlies in the game. And you also need to get used to the fact that it's a different system than what you think it is. It's not red = enemy. It's a "whatever-color-my-coalition-is-is-friendly" system. If you belong to the red coalition, red is your friend. Get used to this system and put the other one out of your head. Will also help you in the future if you are flying modern jets and ED implements a good IFF system. 1
MAXsenna Posted Monday at 11:31 PM Posted Monday at 11:31 PM 6 hours ago, Envee said: I am just glad that i started in earnest, this week, to back up pilot log so i can actually reverse this bonehead move, i hope. I hope. If it resets all your points for a pilot to zero, you have a bug/mod somewhere. It's supposed to give you zero points on that particular mission due to the fratricide,which is "fair", not remove all your points. It was a little confusing for me at first too, but then I checked. Cheers!
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