Tactic maps

[leroni]

Isoul before to do any operations in campaign "Group Vergeev", information enough is given to the player as much as possible to understand a situation in which it is necessary to work. It is a briefing, flight plan maps, tactical maps and instructions of the tactical officer. I recommend to study very attentively these documents that mission was successful. All details are of great importance. They are important. It is very important to pass all control points. Excuse that for familiarity maps are given only.

 

One last thing...

Please don't make a "Nation VS Terrorist" scenario. I prefer to shoot at some heavy equipment that only a Tactical Army possess rather than shooting footsoldiers armed with missiles and a AAA at the best. I am mentioning that cause recently I ve seen a scenario about battling terrorists and then, in one mission, your HQ is under attack by tanks.... where the hell a terrorist got such material? Whats next a terrorist B-52???

Isoul, you noble. I very much respect you for it. It is the truth. That I will tell further can become the reason of the big discussion. I would not like it. There will be a necessity for a detailed illustration. It cannot be done. I hope that you understand me.

 

I wish to tell that war is impossible if forces of opponents are equal. All military conflicts always and everywhere began the strong enemy, against the weak. Any actions of the good commander are directed on searching for weakness in the enemy and to strike blow there: an every prospect of a victory and small losses. At modern level of arms in modern armies open opposition against the equal opponent on force is impossible. There will be big losses, but victories will not be. Not the secret that war is a business where nobody wishes to have losses. The profit is necessary. Here nobleness is not present and was not. What example from history shows the return? I about it do not know.

 

Certainly, in campaign there will be no terrorists on F-16, F/A-18 and B-52. The Georgian army - not terrorists. It is army. But badly trained and insufficiently armed. In campaign there will be no also a policy. Persons liable for call-up should not be in the politician. They should fulfil the duty and the oath. Here nobleness is always directed to one party. It is a reality.

 

"Group Vergeev" campaign telling about the modern conflict. In the first part of campaign speech will not go about war. Only conflicts on frontier, it is frequent with risk to pass in active operations. War will be in other stages of campaign. But an initial stage not such simple as can seem. You will necessarily see it in the demonstrative version from 3 missions of campaign. The opponent not so is weak, as can seem. Losses are very sensitive. I, as the author, and the programmer of missions, too often receive losses when I do flights. But I after all know, as where is!

 

Ask questions =FG=Schtuzer. It tests missions. And he very much rejoices, if receives result in 100 percent!

 

Isoul, thanks you. It is very interesting to me to communicate with you.

[leroni]

AKA_Clutter, it is pleasant to me that you fine understand us. Thanks.

Yes jobs over campaign much. There are many scenarios on the first part of campaign. But specificity of programming is that it is impossible to pass this job to other person. While all you will not make - it is impossible to stop!

 

To it is necessary to add the main job which takes away all the day; not to forget that there is family - the wife, two children (girls - 16 years and 1,5 years) and duties of the husband. Remains to time for dream very little. For example, manufacture of 15th mission took 30 hours of laborious work. But also it not all! Job with actors too demands many time and attention. I regret that in days only 24 hours. It is necessary much more.

 

Thanks =FG=Schtuzer. He is the true friend, the assistant. It too works much. Tests missions, does translation into English. Sorry, but I very badly know English language. Always learnt German language and long enough lived in Germany. English language studied independently. It at me bad. =FG=Schtuzer it is very important for the project and for me. It is reputable. The good person. He too sleeps a little.

 

In the First part of "Group Vergeev" almost 200 missions. These are 100 days of business trip of the Russian military pilot which does in day on 1-3 fighting flights. In the end of January we promise to give 3 demonstrative missions. They are very sated on actions to receive general idea about all campaign. And soon there will be first 20 missions which we also will present you (exact term to name difficult - there is no main decision on ways of sale; over it too we work). They were ready, but now are altered under more real conditions: it concerns first of all information interchange by radio. Earlier it was very similar to show. Now it looks really. We work much, and very much we try to do it quickly. It's true.

 

... Good news from actors. We will record voices, most likely, the day after tomorrow! Ur!

Edited January 3, 2010 by leroni

[FGSchtuzer]

leroni thanks for helping me out in this thread :smilewink:

 

Having just read this thread, and having just attempted a 15 mission, multi-player campaign I know how difficult this is, as well as how much time it takes.

 

Looking forward to playing the missions and campaign!

 

Thanks for drawing a cheer! :beer:

BTW, I've downloaded your campaign before and suggested to our local online community to fly it. Hope, I will find time to participate. :pilotfly:

I presume that developing multi-player campaign is much more difficult due to increased necessity of correct synchronization and online testing with different player roles.

[FGSchtuzer]

To support the discussion we are posting some material from mission #16. Here go some pictures, maps, introductory briefing and voice samples (at the moment - in Russian only) of in-flight briefing. The voice belongs to leroni and illustrates quality of the sound only; will be replaced with actors' voices afterwards.

 

Mission 16 is most spectacular of first 20 missions. Just a reminder: #16 is not part of demo-version (#11,12,13)

 

08.09. 20.. .

 

Group named after Vergeev I.O., Hero of Russia

24th Air Squadron Army Helicopters Group Maikop

07:12 Tuesday

Sochi base

 

Good day, comrade officers! Glad to see you in good spirits and health. It’s day two of the Armistice. Our “colleagues” from the Georgian side are, apparently, keeping to armistice conditions. But we won’t behave in same manner. For last few days, since dry cargo ship “Kurshev” incident, we have sustained too many losses as for peace time in order to leave such a fact without attention. Whereas earlier we have been maintaining the order on state border and on our territory, this first flight today will be a combat one. And you won’t get “Crossing of state border prohibited!” order today. According to plan of Army Helicopters Group Maikop headquarters operation “Margarita”, an act of revenge, was developed. We are striking from air onto Georgian border guard post in Western part of Aibga settlement. The reconnaissance party reports on heavy concentration of manpower and material assets which, most likely, will be used in the future against our homeland.

Flight of Su-27, “Vint” of senior lieutenant Buchman will attack first. He stays in the area after drop and covers the runs of other shock groups.

Flight of Mig-29 hits right after. Captain Saruhanov as leader. Callsign – “Barkhan”.

Our high achiever “Tur” with Ka-50 removes individual targets and mops up the sector.

“Tur” approaches the zone first as he knows local conditions well. He will correct all attack groups’ work when necessary. The only request to “Tur” – not to stick his neck out. Despite the panic among Georgians which is possible due to strike strength, they can set out rather unexpected conterblow. This pertains not only to MANPADs. We’re expecting high activity of enemy airforces. The positions shall often be changed if possible. Use landscape for secret surveillance. You know this area, officer.

When all attack groups return to base, the flight of Mi-24, “Fixator”, under major Zelinsky command, will come out. Vasiliy Ivanovich, your job is to attack the base remains with rockets. This is to provide for disturbance of Georgians. The similar raid will be performed in the nighttime by captain Dropkin crew on Mi-28, “Atard”.

Good luck to all. Take your seats!

 

The order:

 

1.Silently approach Aibga settlement area.

2.Adjust “Vergeev Group” air raid on border guard post in Aibga settlement.

3.Search and destroy the individual targets at guard post area in Aibga settlement.

4.Entrusted armaments and army property must stay safe and sound.

 

Discharge!

startmission_VG016.rar

[EagleEye]

^^ I don`t understand a thing:D, though it sounds really good as radio communication!:)

 

...we also preserved Russian army slang

Do russians using just numbers for identifications or what are you using? Would like to know more about.

[zdXu]

Good day, comrade officers! Glad to see you in good spirits and health. It’s day two of the Armistice. Our “colleagues” from the Georgian side are, apparently, keeping to armistice conditions. But we won’t behave in same manner. For last few days, since dry cargo ship “Kurshev” incident, we have sustained too many losses as for peace time in order to leave such a fact without attention. Whereas earlier we have been maintaining the order on state border and on our territory, this first flight today will be a combat one. And you won’t get “Crossing of state border prohibited!” order today. According to plan of Army Helicopters Group Maikop headquarters operation “Margarita”, an act of revenge, was developed. We are striking from air onto Georgian border guard post in Western part of Aibga settlement. The reconnaissance party reports on heavy concentration of manpower and material assets which, most likely, will be used in the future against our homeland.

Flight of Su-27, “Vint” of senior lieutenant Buchman will attack first. He stays in the area after drop and covers the runs of other shock groups.

Flight of Mig-29 hits right after. Captain Saruhanov as leader. Callsign – “Barkhan”.

Our high achiever “Tur” with Ka-50 removes individual targets and mops up the sector.

“Tur” approaches the zone first as he knows local conditions well. He will correct all attack groups’ work when necessary. The only request to “Tur” – not to stick his neck out. Despite the panic among Georgians which is possible due to strike strength, they can set out rather unexpected conterblow. This pertains not only to MANPADs. We’re expecting high activity of enemy airforces. The positions shall often be changed if possible. Use landscape for secret surveillance. You know this area, officer.

When all attack groups return to base, the flight of Mi-24, “Fixator”, under major Zelinsky command, will come out. Vasiliy Ivanovich, your job is to attack the base remains with rockets. This is to provide for disturbance of Georgians. The similar raid will be performed in the nighttime by captain Dropkin crew on Mi-28, “Atard”.

Good luck to all. Take your seats!

 

I would have some questions if i am the one who is supposed to fly this operation:

 

1.)what is the meaning of the "553 1251 1844"-thingy on the flight-maps?

2.)why are the waypoints named like "10:10" and not "10".

( 3.)what is the meaning of "Maikop"(group Maikop). Just a name or something else? )

4.)Flight “Vint”: how many aircrafts?

5.)Flight "Barkhan"(Mig29): how many aircrafts?

6.)Flight "Fixator" (Mi-24): how many aircrafts?

7.)Briefing says: "We’re expecting high activity of enemy airforces." WHAT type of airforces do we "expect"? Mig-29s, biplanes from the 1. world war? Details please!

8.)Just for the understanding: Flight "Arard" will be between 19:00 08.09.20.. and 06:00 09.09.20..`? Is this correct?

9.) Is refueling allowed?

10.)Am i on my own or do i have wingman(s)?

 

Briefing says: "The reconnaissance party reports on heavy concentration of manpower and material assets on the Western part of Aibga settlement". So ...

11) What type of assets were reported?

12) How many were reported?

13) What are the coordinates of the last known positions of the reported assets?

14) When (exact time) were the assets seen?

[FGSchtuzer]

I updated this post with answers made by leroni to all questions. :smartass:

 

1.)what is the meaning of the "553 1251 1844"-thingy on the flight-maps?

553 - 5.53 – sunrise time. 1251 - 12.51 – daylight time hours. 1844 - 18.44 – sunset time. Time and date indicated below. This is tactical rule and symbol pointing to astronomic dates of the situation. Generally, we will be using 24-hours scale.

2.)why are the waypoints named like "10:10" and not "10".

These are peculiarities of waypoint realization in Black Shark. First “10” is editor’s note, while second “10” says to ABRIS what to show in flight. Otherwise ABRIS will show 000010 which is not convenient.

3.)what is the meaning of "Maikop"(group Maikop). Just a name or something else? )

Yes, this is the name of Air Squadron Army Helicopters Group originating from its location, city of Maikop.

 

Do not look for any similiarity between real events, fact and campaign story. All is fiction. There is no Army Helicopters Group Maikop as well as Sochi or Adler base. They have different names in real life.

4.)Flight “Vint”: how many aircrafts?

5.)Flight "Barkhan"(Mig29): how many aircrafts?

6.)Flight "Fixator" (Mi-24): how many aircrafts?

This is indicated on the map (two lines of text with horizontal line between them) – callsign on top and quantity, type and, if situation requires, time (of exit, approach, withdrawal etc.).

7.)Briefing says: "We’re expecting high activity of enemy airforces." WHAT type of airforces do we "expect"? Mig-29s, biplanes from the 1. world war? Details please!

There is place only for assumptions here. It’s not known what particular air defence forces will be used. But you have to be concerned about it.

In general, it is very difficult to get precise data on enemy airforce. The high command would normally, based on its own plans and intentions, presume that enemy will engage fighters. It is a real threat. Which threat – not really important. You must just be ready. And not consider the enemy to be a fool. Better to overrate that underestimate.

During an action, open military confrontation you can obtain info on quantity and models, but not info on which aircrafts and when will be engaged – these are just estimates. AWACS may indicate this on approach, but AWACS is not used here. No need for that.

8.)Just for the understanding: Flight "Arard" will be between 19:00 08.09.20.. and 06:00 09.09.20..`? Is this correct?

I don’t know where did you take it from… . It’s indicated (in briefing and on maps) that the story starts at07:12 in the morning of 08 September 20xx year.

9.) Is refueling allowed?

No refueling needed unless stated otherwise. Where it’s necessary – it’s indicated as required procedure. Moreover, the exit from operational area may be punished with scores (%) substraction. Thus it will not be possible to complete the mission.

The roles of all aircrafts are set based on full combat fuelling. Not more than 50-60% of fuel must be used in the mission. Uncomplete fuelling is strictly forbidden! This is real. Any aircraft (provided it is operational) shall be refuelled and armed acc. to full scheme. Even if there are no tasks for nearest time.

 

In any air subdivision (as well as in others, e.g. tanks) there is a “regular” armory scheme which is compulsory to “hang on” if not instructed otherwise. If different instruction arrived, armory specialists change the load as necessary.

 

This is a rule as well.

10.)Am i on my own or do i have wingman(s)?

If there is no info about that – it means that you’re on your own. The missions are quite possible to be accomplished by one helicopter. There will be a notice when wignman is to join you in the mission.

Briefing says: "The reconnaissance party reports on heavy concentration of manpower and material assets on the Western part of Aibga settlement". So ...

11) What type of assets were reported?

12) How many were reported?

It's not really important with such strike strength. The strike covers vast area. You just need to know that this area contains sighnificant enemy forces and bomb assault raid is feasible. Statistics and precise info are needed for open military confrontation. This will happen later.

 

In line with all reconnaissance efforts, there are actions of enemy military counterintelligence which aim at hiding the forces quantity. This is equally not important. We are talking about revenge act here. The main thing is that all bombs are dropped and all machinery in certain area destroyed.

 

General remark. If partied had full package of info about forces, armaments and quantity – there would be no wars at all. Two parties can’t win simultaneously. If there is little data, but good "sixth sense" and some undoubtful facts (previous battles and transgressors violating the border in certain area), such an instrument is used as preventive attack. This is what actually takes place in mission #016. No sense to spend time on supplementary reconnaissance, data clarification etc. Better to place an strike!

13) What are the coordinates of the last known positions of the reported assets?

Brifieng, maps and radio communication contain all necessary information. There will be no redundant information. Just information that is related to task and sucessful mission accomplishment.

14) When (exact time) were the assets seen?

This doesn’t matter in this situation. The campaign starts 31.09. 20... for the pilot. But one can presume that smth happened before, isn’t it right?

 

The parties observe each other constantly. That’s their main job on the border. Watching and making conclusion, assumptions etc. Information analysis.

 

In reality the flight briefings are even shorter than above. We are trying to fit 1\2 page.

 

Our hero has no other position to access additional information. He is a simple pilot now. Combat pilots usually are given only the necessary information so that when captured they are in holy and safe ignorance: nothing to say if you don’t know anything.

 

There are many unpleasant surprises for the hero in “Vergeev Group” campaign. They can be avoided only through rational and logical thinking. For example, the exit maneuver after bomb assault strike on Georgian border guard post when AA guns start firing along the route. One can easily suppose that all AA weapons would be activated immediately after such an accident. And withdrawal should be conducted on maximum speed, as a minimum.

 

The campaign has a plot. Therefore, all past events influence on current and future activities. It’s advisable to remember what happened where so that you’re not lying beneath your chopper wreckage some day.

Edited January 14, 2010 by =FG=Schtuzer

[FGSchtuzer]

^^ I don`t understand a thing:D, though it sounds really good as radio communication!:)

 

Good to hear that.

 

Do russians using just numbers for identifications or what are you using? Would like to know more about.

 

Make yourself a cup of tea before reading... ;)

 

In Warsaw pact countries personal callsigns were usually used. If same callsign covers several subdivisions the number was added to callsign. For example, Voron groups are platoon containing 4 squads with their own operational tasks (thus communications as well). Therefore, they are Voron-1, Voron-2 and so on. The names for callsigns are unique and abstract, sometimes close to absurd. Just for your interest – Voron is raven in Russian, Tur – kind of bull, Barkhan – sand dune, Vint – screw\propeller. NATO is using such principle as well but very rarely – for taskforces and for certain operations. Instead, Alpha, Bravo etc. are widely used. They also can be Alfa-2, Bravo-34.

 

In military radio communication no precise rules are set. The most important is that messages clearly describe actions and situation. Sometimes callsigns are omitted during communication session if context and identities of the speakers are evident.

 

The communication is split into channels. The helo may not hear the ground, just tactical officer. The latter decides who should listen to whom and what to do.

 

The pilot certainly may tune up to hear ground units but this is practically impossible, since it’s difficult to know all subdivisions’ frequencies which are often changing in every tactic situation. Especially in hostilities area.

 

Portable radio transmitters are often blocked to work in full duplex mode on several channels. One can fully communicate on one channel, and only listen to a few others (if the frequencies are known). But normally all subdivisions are deprived of such possibility in fighting conditions unless there is a clear need. This excludes confusions when requests are duplicated or unauthorized inquiries are put forward. If you know little Russian, you may listen to Chechnya, Groznyy 1995 records on Youtube. The bandits scanned the frequencies and cut into radio exchange between two speakers (not wide broadcast, of course). It’s not difficult and expensive nowadays.

Edited January 14, 2010 by =FG=Schtuzer

[FGSchtuzer]

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