F-22s at Al Dhafra

[A.S]

[jerom1992]

"Did a super job against all enemies"?

Bear in mind it was designed to do so in A2A

And the enemy aircraft aren't that spectacular: Mirage 2000 and F-16

 

I think flying against a Su-27 or Su-30 would be more interesting for the 'readiness for the job'

 

And there is the PAK-FA ofcourse

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Jerom, Su-27 and the versions of the M-2000 and F-16 the F-22 faced, well, they aren't very distant, really.

 

It's somewhat expected from a 5th generation fighter to have good results over 4th generation ones. Actually, it's expected that a 5th gen one will do a "super job". It did. Pilots are just happy because it works as it was supposed to work, nothing else. It's always good to see that your gear works as it was supposed to work.

 

It might have a bit harder time against Su-30s and Rafales, a tad harder with Su-35, but again, it's always 5th against 4th. It's expected that the latter will win.

 

When it comes to a knife fight, then things might be more even. But that's another story.

[Vekkinho]

Great find A.S., M2K and F-16Blk60 are the planes that might appear as potential threat in the future so testing your potential against those aircraft is not something funny or to be unrespected. Especially if flown by non-NATO airforce with perhaps different tactics than Raptor pilots faced during Aggressor mock-up fights at Red/Green Flag!

 

OK it's not a Su-30 or latest Su-35 but Indian Flankers visited Nevada during Red Flag. Don't you think there were Raptors around? Perhaps noone driving a Su-30 knew about them being there...

 

;)

[A.S]

Great find A.S., M2K and F-16Blk60 are the planes that might appear as potential threat in the future so testing your potential against those aircraft is not something funny or to be unrespected. Especially if flown by non-NATO airforce with perhaps different tactics than Raptor pilots faced during Aggressor mock-up fights at Red/Green Flag!

 

OK it's not a Su-30 or latest Su-35 but Indian Flankers visited Nevada during Red Flag. Don't you think there were Raptors around? Perhaps noone driving a Su-30 knew about them being there...

 

;)

 

Right. What suprised me was, those guys have 100hours and faced Pilots with 2000-3000 flighthours. That alone speaks.

[jerom1992]

I'm not against raptor, but the fact that a raptor costs 6x more then a mirage does; doesn't make flight hours a real good comparison. (not speaking of maintenance costs and development costs which are huge)

I also think most pilots flying raptors will have many hours in another kind of plane.

 

EDIT: Did some research. Looks like F-22 and Su-30 were never in the air together during last summer's session (only time when Su-30MKI appeared.

Units participating Red Flag

Edited February 8, 2010 by jerom1992

[Krippz]

I'm not against raptor, but the fact that a raptor costs 6x more then a mirage does; doesn't make flight hours a real good comparison. (not speaking of maintenance costs and development costs which are huge)

I also think most pilots flying raptors will have many hours in another kind of plane.

 

EDIT: Did some research. Looks like F-22 and Su-30 were never in the air together during last summer's session (only time when Su-30MKI appeared.

Units participating Red Flag

 

The fact remains that the Su-27/Su-30 family of aircraft will not have any other advantage over the Mirage-2000 or F-16 that the F-22 faced.

[jerom1992]

Su-30MKI vs Mirage-2000 or F-16? I think the winner will be the Su-30MKI

[maobingyishen]

I think the problem is "How many Su-30MKI gotta be there and lose to take out 16 or 8 F22??"

 

Say China has 300 Flankers plus 40 Mirage 2000 and 100 F16 from Taiwan against 180 F22 or F35 in 2015. How many pilots and money America gonna cost after??

[Krippz]

I think the problem is "How many Su-30MKI gotta be there and lose to take out 16 or 8 F22??"

 

Say China has 300 Flankers plus 40 Mirage 2000 and 100 F16 from Taiwan against 180 F22 or F35 in 2015. How many pilots and money America gonna cost after??

 

 

I don't want to digress from the topic but in a realistic scenario a lot of enemy aircraft will be taken out with cruise missiles and JDAM's at standoff ranges. The F-22 and the F-35 will have a clear advantage over any 4th gen fighter and enemy ground based radars. So a numerical advantage is negated by technology.

[Krippz]

Su-30MKI vs Mirage-2000 or F-16? I think the winner will be the Su-30MKI

 

 

Here you are wrong my friend; the Su-30MKI does not have a AESA radar while the F-16 block 60 does ;). So in a BVR fight the F-16 SHOULD be able to see the Su-30MKI a lot sooner and be able to dictate the terms of the engagement. WVR is a different story.

Edited February 9, 2010 by Krippz

[GGTharos]

Su-30MKI isn't one of those aircraft that have a fighting chance against an F-22. F-22's take on the most modernized F-15C's and own them completely. That's F-15C's with the latest in RWR, AESA Radar and AMRAAMs that can be bought for them.

 

Just what do you think a Su-30MKI is going to achieve here? A PAK-FA, a Typhoon and Rafale are an entirely different story, though I'd give the PAK-FA the best chances of those ... then again this is merely speculation based on the presence of VLO technology on the PAK-FA.

 

Su-30MKI vs Mirage-2000 or F-16? I think the winner will be the Su-30MKI

[GGTharos]

The Su-30MKI is quite competitive against an F-16 Block 60 when it comes to radar. ;)

 

Here you are wrong my friend; the Su-30MKI does not have a AESA radar while the F-16 block 60 does ;)

[Shaman]

 

F-22 is just so spectacular. Thanks for sharing the video.

[maobingyishen]

I don't want to digress from the topic but in a realistic scenario a lot of enemy aircraft will be taken out with cruise missiles and JDAM's at standoff ranges. The F-22 and the F-35 will have a clear advantage over any 4th gen fighter and enemy ground based radars. So a numerical advantage is negated by technology.

 

Yes, I agree, number doesn't really matter that much.

[Peyoteros]

Competitor is on the way...

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=833236&postcount=2581

[Krippz]

Competitor is on the way...

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=833236&postcount=2581

 

Indeed it is; bring it on :joystick::pilotfly:. I expect the T-50 OVER TIME to be comparable to the F-22. The biggest challenge Sukhoi is going to have is keeping the price down while retaining 5th gen fighter qualities. This is their first VLO project so I doubt the cost of the aircraft will be <$100.00 million US dollars; but Sukhoi may surprise me.

Edited February 9, 2010 by Krippz

[EtherealN]

Well, a big part of the pricetag would be development costs, and spreading those over more airframes will go a long way - which is easier with the PAK-FA than the Raptor since it's two countries involved and both are (according to Russia Today) looking at 200 airframes.

 

But yes, it certainly won't be easy, but when was anything ever easy in the fighter development business? :D

[concrete]

...t in a realistic scenario a lot of enemy aircraft will be taken out with cruise missiles and JDAM's at standoff ranges.

 

oooo this is so f*** wrong...

[Krippz]

oooo this is so f*** wrong...

 

 

lol what you rather the classic battles of Vietnam and before?