MBDA Meteor (BVRAAM)

[A.S]

 

 

:smoke:

[topol-m]

It is a nice missile but "domination over future threats"? Why can`t all ads be a little more realistic. It`s a good thing to promote a new product but come on, unless you have access to alien tech or you are fighting a tribe of indians with spears how can you say you`re going to be dominating ten years from now. :huh:

Edited April 29, 2010 by topol-m

[A.S]

$$$+Time

 

UK spent 6 billion just on the ASRAAM .....

 

maybe, thats how they forsee or calculate such claims....

[topol-m]

Hmm why do I think money invested not always guarantee total domination... Are there few examples out there? SR-71 countered with much cheaper missiles, all the abandoned multi-million $ experimental projects, etc. etc.

[A.S]

oh...talking about "black projects" ..i remember watching this

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP7UdD9qSFA&feature=PlayList&p=D4E55F8D2243FBB3&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=11

[topol-m]

yeah that was interesting to watch difficult to tell truth from fiction though :) The military should declassify files more often but unfortunately they don`t feel the need to :mad:

[GGTharos]

When was the SR-71 countered? Until the time when it became effectively obsolete, it served quite well. A small change in flight path = no more viable intercept ... for SAMs OR MiGs.

 

And yes, money = time spent, research, and development. If you spend less resources your product will not be as good ... there is a particular point at which you can effectively compete with a cheaper (but more abundant) countermeasure, but below this point you effectively get owned.

 

If you want to put it in simple terms, think of trying to counter a T-80 with LAV's or Strykers. Not impossible, but you're pretty much going to get owned by the time you take the T-80 out.

[topol-m]

When was the SR-71 countered? Until the time when it became effectively obsolete, it served quite well. A small change in flight path = no more viable intercept ... for SAMs OR MiGs.

 

 

Well with certain positioning of sams and patrol flights they could make it obsolete cause even if not shooting it down but preventing it from flying over your territory is enough to counter it.

 

My point against such estimations for such a long period of time is that the potential adversary will not be in hibernation, the arms race is a constant process.

[GGTharos]

Well with certain positioning of sams and patrol flights they could make it obsolete cause even if not shooting it down but preventing it from flying over your territory is enough to counter it.

 

... and it took them how many years to accomplish this? ;)

It took sattelites getting some nifty resolution/imaging capability to really obsolete the usefulness of of the SR-71. SAMs didn't completely accomplish this, though they would have eventually.

 

My point against such estimations for such a long period of time is that the potential adversary will not be in hibernation, the arms race is a constant process.

You're right, but estimations going for some 15-30 years into the future seem to have been reasonably accurate on the western side ... which is also not standing still. Point is, unless the adversary can suddenly catch-up, then by the time he's caught up, the other guy is already onto the next gen thing.

 

However! We're injecting reality into a commercial which is silly. Commercials for weapons on all sides pretty much share this uhm, optimism ;)

[topol-m]

... and it took them how many years to accomplish this? ;)

It took sattelites getting some nifty resolution/imaging capability to really obsolete the usefulness of of the SR-71. SAMs didn't completely accomplish this, though they would have eventually.

 

Not sure if it wasn`t exactly sams that accomplished that, cause AFAIK SR-71 didn`t have so many flights over russian territory (more info needed though), maybe AF took a lesson from the U-2`s fate ;)

 

 

You're right, but estimations going for some 15-30 years into the future seem to have been reasonably accurate on the western side ... which is also not standing still.

 

 

Well this isn`t only west vs east, the stealth aircraft in the video kind of looked north american :D It was basically meteor pwning US, russian, chinese... aaand probably even aliens cause you never know, they are a potential future threat :doh:

Edited April 29, 2010 by topol-m

[GGTharos]

Not sure if it wasn`t exactly sams that accomplished that, cause AFAIK SR-71 didn`t have so many flight over russian territory maybe AF took a lesson from the U-2`s fate ;)

 

The U-2 is not capable of shrinking a SAMs foot-print to nothing. The SR-71 is. Huge, hugehugehugehuge difference, topol. HUGE. You have no idea.

The SR-71 can literally turn a couple degrees off course and make an SA-2 or SA-3 completely useless against it. That's how much it shrinks the attack footprint. S-300 is far more dangerous, but compared to a fighter of bomber, its attack capability against SR-71 is also smaller.

Anyway, I digress.

 

 

Well this isn`t only west vs east, the stealth aircraft in the video kind of looked north american :D It was basically meteor pwning US, russian, chinese... aaand probably even aliens cause you never know, they are a potential future threat :doh:

 

Romulan warbird in orbit pwned by meteor :D

[topol-m]

The U-2 is not capable of shrinking a SAMs foot-print to nothing. The SR-71 is. Huge, hugehugehugehuge difference, topol. HUGE. You have no idea.

The SR-71 can literally turn a couple degrees off course and make an SA-2 or SA-3 completely useless against it. That's how much it shrinks the attack footprint. S-300 is far more dangerous, but compared to a fighter of bomber, its attack capability against SR-71 is also smaller.

Anyway, I digress.

 

That difference is clear, but are you saying it was capable of entering the airspace protected by Sams and mig-25s, fly around, take some pictures here and there and then leave, and even more to do that regularly?

Edited April 29, 2010 by topol-m

[GGTharos]

I would say it was more likely to be able to take advantage of certain opportunities.

 

That difference is clear, but are you saying it was capable of entering the airspace protected by Sams and mig-25`s fly around, take some pictures here and there and then leave, and even more to do that regularly?

[topol-m]

I would say it was more likely to be able to take advantage of certain opportunities.

 

Well in that word play ;) I would say it`s countering cause if you have some strategic objects and you protect them well with sams and aircraft so that it is not possible for it to fly over them then your work is done. What good if it can take advantage of certain opportunities and can fly over your territory? As long as it doesn`t fly over places you don`t want it to be it`s countering :)

[EtherealN]

Well Topol, the point in there is that the "defender" needs to never make a mistake. One blip in their cover and BAM, photos are taken.

 

This is basically the same thing as with the classic serial-killer vs FBI thing: FBI can "afford" to make mistakes in their prosecution of their target, but the killer as a defender cannot. Let's recall that there is no such thing as a 1v1 in real life - the SR-71 can be on standby to such a time as ELINT or HUMINT suggests that an overflight opportunity has arisen for whatever reason.

[topol-m]

Shooting down SR-71 will always be cost effective :) besides there are other ways to protect something that is an aim of illegal air photography :D I forgot that this thread was about a meteor ad. Nonetheless, it is a great missile that will seriously increase the capabilities of the fighters which are going to use it. But let`s see what the other leading missiles building companies have to say about it in the upcoming years :) Edit: and the romulans too...

Edited April 29, 2010 by topol-m

[rattler]

The Sr-71, you have no idea what it got away with.Let me see, ah ,yes speed, still a secret. We do know that it was capable of Mach 3 + for sustained periods of time. I wonder what the + means. Lots of times it was there and back and none the wiser for it. Alt. ah, lets see 60,000 +, there's that plus again. It traveled where ever it was needed and was there and back and none the wiser for it. Many, Many times. For each time it may have been picked up and I say may, there were a huge amount of flights that were never detected and I doubt whether they could detect it today, in most cases. Meant to do one thing in the end of its development stage and it did it extremely well.

[asparagin]

I was just wondering: is this movie made by Glowing Amraam?

[zakobi]

I was just wondering: is this movie made by Glowing Amraam?

 

nahh... It would have looked more awesome then :smilewink: