Frogs External Fuel Tanks

[bumfire]

Does anyone know how to refill the frogs external tanks once they are used up ?

 

No matter what I try, I just cannot get them to refill. When I land, I goto refuel, but they dont fill up, only the internal tanks do.

 

Also, if I re-arm with the default loadout, the tanks will still remain empty, I dont think they even get changed when re-arming with the default loadout ?

 

So, does anyone know how to refill external fuel tanks for the frogs once they become empty, is their a file edit to do it ? is their anyword of a fix in an upcoming patch ?

 

As this is really bugging me now, as I love flying a particular mission I made, but its a long haul flight and it NEEDS tanks and not being able to refill the externals is really crippling me.

 

Any info would be great.

 

Cheers.

[HiJack]

They refill but the scale dont show it. Just try fly for a while and you see.

 

(HJ)

[bumfire]

You 100% sure about that ?

 

I would love that to be true. I cannot say if it is or not because after refilling, it would only refill the internal tanks or so the gauges say. So after taking off and then flying about etc, I would always land before they went to empty.

 

I never carried on flying past empty to find out if they were filled or not.

 

I shall give it a try and get back to you.

 

Cheers.

[FoxDonut77]

They refill but the scale dont show it. Just try fly for a while and you see.

 

(HJ)

 

I think this goes for all the russian aircraft simulated in the ED simulations, Ka50, Su25, MiG29, not sure about Su27 but I'd wager it does. It helps to read up on the specs and facts about each type, max fuel w/o ext. tanks, max fuel with so so many ext. tanks etc.

[mvsgas]

I have never experience this. Are u using the 25T or 25? How many tank,2 or 4? What stations, inner pylons or outer? I normally just use the inner pylons, I rearmed and then refuel.

Is this in single play only or does it happen in MP?

 

I normally just fly in 104th with the 25 and I have not encounter this.

Edited August 10, 2010 by mvsgas

[Vecko]

I think this goes for all the russian aircraft simulated in the ED simulations, Ka50, Su25, MiG29, not sure about Su27 but I'd wager it does. It helps to read up on the specs and facts about each type, max fuel w/o ext. tanks, max fuel with so so many ext. tanks etc.

 

Su27 does not have ability to carry external fuel tanks...

[bumfire]

25t - 25, single player.

 

I havent tried the solution posted at the begining of this thread as I have been pretty busy, I will try soon though.

 

But mvsgas, it happens when carrying 2 or 4 tanks, inner and outer.

 

Once used, if I land and ask for a refill, the refill counts upto 3760 or so internal fuel ( which is the max internal fuel that the frog can carry ) and then refilling stops.

 

If I ask for a re-arm with the default loadout, which is the one I am using at the start of the mission with whatever amount of fueltanks.

 

I get new weapons, but I dont think it gives me new tanks, if it does replace the external fuel tanks, they look as though they are empty when going by the internal fuel gauges, as the amount of fuel onboard is still 3760 or thereabouts.

 

Hopefully the solution given at the start of the thread works, I will find out tonight at somepoint.

 

If other people notice it and say that they dont refill properly judging by the fuel gauges, then maybe its a bug that affects some people and not others ? or maybe you just havent noticed the amount of fuel you have at the begining of a flight and then comparing that with how much you have after refuelling.

 

It could be a few things.

Edited August 11, 2010 by bumfire

[nomdeplume]

I thought in FC2 external tanks weren't refilled during in-flight refueling or ground refueling, but were replaced when you get a new payload. Is there any difference if you re-arm with a payload that doesn't include external tanks, and then re-arm again with a payload that does include them?

[Grimes]

Humm.

 

Since you seem to land to rearm your payload I'd try to physically drop the tanks sometime before you land so the pylons are completely empty, then try rearming. That is my best guess to try and resolve the issue. I rarely have a chance to use fuel tanks on the frogs anyway so I can't remember off the top of my head if it works for me or not.

[mvsgas]

It could be the version of the game i use the Russian version and never had a problem. I will try, maybe is the airport you are using, which one are you using?

[bumfire]

I thought in FC2 external tanks weren't refilled during in-flight refueling or ground refueling, but were replaced when you get a new payload. Is there any difference if you re-arm with a payload that doesn't include external tanks, and then re-arm again with a payload that does include them?

 

 

I have never specifically tried to land and re-arm but selecting a loadout that doesnt have fueltanks, then re-arming with a loadout that does have tanks. I havent specifically tried that.

 

I normally land with my tanks unless I really need to ditch em.

 

Sometimes I have noticed that when I ditch them and then come back to base to re-arm, all the weapons get replaced, but I am left with 2 or 4 empty hardpoints where the tanks should be as they never got replaced.

 

Sometimes when rearming they get replaced and sometimes they dont.

 

But, whatever happens, if I refuel, its only internal fuel that gets filled up, so the gauges say.

 

If I drop the tanks and then land and refuel, once I have max internal fuel, I then re-arm, if the tanks appear back on my wings as sometimes they do not, but if they do appear, the fuel gauges still read max internal fuel.

 

Also, this may not be connected, but unlimited fuel doesnt work in the rogs for me either, unlimited ammo does, but fuel doesnt and neither does immortal, as i tried it when I was testing.

 

Unlimited fuel works for the KA50, so I cant see why it wouldnt work for the 25s only in lockon FC2.

 

I suspect that the fuel tank problem and the unlimited fuel problem I am having with the 25s in FC2 are connected somehow.

 

When I first installed the sim, when going into the ME, usually the very first land vehicle I chose would normally produce a popup game error, which I had never seen in any iteration of ED's work previously, I just alt tab and then close the error's and then continue working in the ME.

 

That problem hasnt happened again for a good few weeks, but it was persistent when I first installed FC2 and apart from the fuel problem, I dont notice any other bug that stands out.

 

Am about to get a new rig anyway, so I will be starting from a clean slate, bout time as my SSD's need a good cleanout but I cant be bothered doing it ATM, I will be forced to do it when my new stuff arrives :)

 

Just to add, I am using ricardo pits with the orange light fix, instead of having blue and orange internal lights for the SU25.

[mvsgas]

So I just created a simple mission, flew while dumping fuel until I reached 1000kg

landed park and ask for refuel. Only internal tank where fill, but I needed a drag chute anyway so I ask for default weapons load and new tanks were installed, full with fuel.

Internal rose from 3500kg (give or take) to 5000+kg

 

I use a Georgian SU-25 with 4 wing tank and two R-60

Aerodrome was Batumi

Maybe if I can duplicate your mission we could maybe Isolate the culprit, what do you think?

[bumfire]

It happens all the time for me, max internal fuel, then add or refill the external tanks and the gauges are still showing 3700 of fuel onboard.

 

TBH, I am now starting to think that my game is bugged somewhere, because refuelling/re-arming has never showed the correct amount of fuel and with the game popup errors I was receiving earlier, I think something is wrong somewhere with my install ?

 

I am not gunna reinstall the game just now as in the next couple weeks I should have my new system built, so I willw ait til then before I start afresh with FC2.

 

In the meantime, I will also pick a geaorgian vanilla 25, then a 25t and 4 wing tanks and 2 r60s and will start from batumi.

 

I will fly and dump til I hit 1000kg, i will then land and ask for refuel, once refuellign has completed I will ask for re-arm.

 

I will post the answer sometime on thursday.

 

Cheers for doing this Mvgas ;)

[mvsgas]

I see if I can find something in the forums. Let me know if you find something

[bumfire]

I am just about to have something to eat and then I will give it a try and post back.

 

roughly in an hour or so.

[bumfire]

What can I say ?

 

I did what you did, I selected a georgian 25t, I loaded 4 tanks 2 r60s and took off from batumi and then dumped fuel til 1000kg left, landed, refuelled and had max internal fuel of 3760*, then I did a re-arm and the fuel load went upto 6100.

 

It worked.

 

But it doesnt always do that, because I have landed, re-fueled and re-armed previously when I made missions, and only had max internal fuel after a refuel/rearm.

 

I hardly ever fly with 4 tanks, its usually only 2, so I will now do this.

 

I will select a russian 25t as thats who I normally fly for, then select 2 tanks, inner hardpoints and do the same procedure as above, and then post the results. I will then repeat with outer hardpoints.

 

If it works this time then i will really be dumbfounded, as many many times I have landed and refuelled and re-armed to find out I only have max interal fuel.

 

Brb in 10

 

EDIT:

 

Well, it worked again, either you have unjinxed me/my game or I was doing something wrong ?

 

But I cant see what I was doing wrong because I would fly, use up fuel, land, refuel and re-arm with default loadout whatever that loadout happened to be, and the majority of the time it would only show internal fuel.

 

Also, on a couple of occassions, if I re-armed before I did the refuelling, if the re-arming worked properly, when I went to refuel, it would start taking fuel from the aircraft instead of giving fuel to me.

 

That happened roughly twice in all the times I have flew FC2.

 

I really cant figure out what if anything I was doign wrong, because what you did and I did today, is exactly what I would normally do. Fly, land, refuel, rearm.

 

Anyway thank you for taking your time to help out, it was much appreaciated mvsgas.

Edited August 12, 2010 by bumfire

[mvsgas]

No problem man. It could be the base you landed or maybe the aircraft suffer some damage. Maybe the area that you were park. I will keep an eye.

[mvsgas]

Ok, I tried several combinations and the only time I had problems was when I rearmed before refueling, but if I ask to be rearmed externals where fill once more. I tried Russian and Georgian SU-25 and SU-25T inboard and outboard tanks with and without combat load, flying for the whole mission or just dumping the fuel same results.