Succellus Posted October 25, 2010 Posted October 25, 2010 OK, that seems interesting, but for me its soo ofar off the distance. But anyway 3D + track IR, how does it fair ? Another question. Someone mentioned 3 monitor + 3d. I didn t get it right, but i suppose you mest have 3 3d monitors since you have some strage glasses on your nose. And finally, what about a 4 eye becoming an 6 eye ? Does the 3d glasses fit well with normal glasses ? Becoming old is a crap. HaF 922, Asus rampage extreme 3 gene, I7 950 with Noctua D14, MSI gtx 460 hawk, G skill 1600 8gb, 1.5 giga samsung HD. Track IR 5, Hall sensed Cougar, Hall sensed TM RCS TM Warthog(2283), TM MFD, Saitek pro combat rudder, Cougar MFD.
distant Posted October 25, 2010 Posted October 25, 2010 @average: thanks you kindly. I'm glad there are more S-3D gamers joining in the chorus. I think they will listen to more wallets than just a single payment. Rant: Even if they don't care about one single fan that buys all their products since their company inception, stereo 3D make their games 1000 folds more immersive and they do not appreciate, that I don't understand. There is no far vision on this team? Don't they know S3D is the future of gaming? End Rant; @distant, it's easy to understand they ignored you by mail. They may receive all kind of strange request all the time. But they watch closely the forums. 3D as in Stereo 3D (S-3D) + Track IR + big screen = Better feeling than reality. I'm not joking, the depth feel is heightened and you're concious of object placements much more than in reality. OK, that seems interesting, but for me its soo ofar off the distance. But anyway 3D + track IR, how does it fair ? Becoming old is a crap. I'm 53 and I must wear glasses when reading but sitting 6 ft from a 61in screen I don't have to wear reading glasses under the S-3D glasses. Sorry I don't know much about 3 monitors to share with you.
Kiezer Posted October 25, 2010 Posted October 25, 2010 Kiezer, I have 3D displays for several years now. I wanted to know if there are any glitches, like near clouds in 2D, and that thing about the HUD that I'm always worried about, not decide wether if I buy a 3D kit or not. Sorry, you've come across a 3D gaming fanatic. Anyway, go to the nvidia control panel, select 'set up stereoscopic 3D' and click the 'set keyboard shortcuts' button. On the new window, select 'Enable advanced in-game settins'. Then, after Ok's and Apply's launch the A-10. Once in the cockpit try to press and maintain ctrl+F6. You'll see :O If you apply too much convergence with ctrl+F6, reduce it with ctrl+F5. And if you want it saved for the nexts session press ctrl+F7 Convergence is a basic setting that is disabled and hidden as "advanced" because it can lead to some sickness if abused, but essential when you know what you are doing. Try it with every game you play and your 3D experience will change completely. :thumbup: cheers will be looking into it the now. And will do some more tests for ya all. My failed attempts to get the GRcade community into flight sims :joystick:
Kiezer Posted October 25, 2010 Posted October 25, 2010 (edited) okay was trying convergence with a few titles and all i can say is "great!"...... now I see why BFBC2 is Nvidia 3D ready. :) I guess its just playing around with F5 and F6 untill i find the sweet spot? will start on the A10 the now. N.B these were quick tests just to see how convergence changed things. Note it did! Edited October 25, 2010 by Kiezer My failed attempts to get the GRcade community into flight sims :joystick:
Kiezer Posted October 25, 2010 Posted October 25, 2010 (edited) Okay so my opinion on A-10 in 3 D still stands. While there are no glitches as far as I can see the option to play in 3D should not be taken. If it does anything at all, all it does is add to the atmosphere as it darkens everything and makes shadows more pronounced. No funky cloud things happening so you are all right there. Convergence didn’t help at all as nothing happened... (No movement) mind you this is still the beta and Nvidia still thinks that the game is black shark. :) Edited October 25, 2010 by Kiezer My failed attempts to get the GRcade community into flight sims :joystick:
distant Posted October 25, 2010 Posted October 25, 2010 Many thanks for doing it. At least now I know for sure it's not working with S3D and no longer have a reason to to jump on the Beta preorder bandwagon. Hopefully somebody will update this thread if there's any positive testing in the future. Until then, best wishes. Okay so my opinion on A-10 in 3 D still stands.... :)
Succellus Posted October 25, 2010 Posted October 25, 2010 @average: thanks you kindly. I'm glad there are more S-3D gamers joining in the chorus. I think they will listen to more wallets than just a single payment. Rant: Even if they don't care about one single fan that buys all their products since their company inception, stereo 3D make their games 1000 folds more immersive and they do not appreciate, that I don't understand. There is no far vision on this team? Don't they know S3D is the future of gaming? End Rant; 3D as in Stereo 3D (S-3D) + Track IR + big screen = Better feeling than reality. I'm not joking, the depth feel is heightened and you're concious of object placements much more than in reality. I'm 53 and I must wear glasses when reading but sitting 6 ft from a 61in screen I don't have to wear reading glasses under the S-3D glasses. Sorry I don't know much about 3 monitors to share with you. 61 inch ?!? Picture or its not true :smilewink: (drolling) HaF 922, Asus rampage extreme 3 gene, I7 950 with Noctua D14, MSI gtx 460 hawk, G skill 1600 8gb, 1.5 giga samsung HD. Track IR 5, Hall sensed Cougar, Hall sensed TM RCS TM Warthog(2283), TM MFD, Saitek pro combat rudder, Cougar MFD.
distant Posted October 25, 2010 Posted October 25, 2010 it's true alright. It's a Samsung DLP HL61A750, rear projection type with LED lamp. Works wonder in S-3D in checkerboard mode. Better than interlaced and almost as good as pageflipping. Brightness is phenomenal and there is _no_ ghosting which is typical in LCD and CRT type monitors in S-3D. And as a bonus, it's affordable, too bad it's out of production now. Only Mitsubishi now is making DLP TV (3D Vision compatible and with an adapter HDMI 1.4 compatible as well), the only minus is the Mits do not use LED lamp, so users have to replace the lamp periodically, otherwise it's terrific as a large S-3D screen. HDTV also looks phenomenal on the Samsung, as good or even better than Sony's comparable size in some instances. 61 inch ?!? Picture or its not true :smilewink: (drolling)
Callsign.Vega Posted October 25, 2010 Posted October 25, 2010 @average: thanks you kindly. I'm glad there are more S-3D gamers joining in the chorus. I think they will listen to more wallets than just a single payment. Rant: Even if they don't care about one single fan that buys all their products since their company inception, stereo 3D make their games 1000 folds more immersive and they do not appreciate, that I don't understand. There is no far vision on this team? Don't they know S3D is the future of gaming? End Rant; 3D as in Stereo 3D (S-3D) + Track IR + big screen = Better feeling than reality. I'm not joking, the depth feel is heightened and you're concious of object placements much more than in reality. I'm 53 and I must wear glasses when reading but sitting 6 ft from a 61in screen I don't have to wear reading glasses under the S-3D glasses. Sorry I don't know much about 3 monitors to share with you. Better feeling than reality? :huh: 3D in which you have to wear glasses is just a passing fad and will die out again like it has numerous times down through the years. I've tried DCS:BS and a lot of other games in 3D and was not impressed. GPU: RTX 4090 - 3,000 MHz core / 12,000 MHz VRAM. CPU: 7950X3d - 5.2 GHz X3d, 5.8 GHz secondary / MB: ASUS Crosshair X670E Gene / RAM: G.Skill 48GB 6400 MHz SSD: Intel Optane P5800X - 800GB VR: Pimax Crystal CONTROLS: VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base / VPC Constellation ALPHA Prime Grip / VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle / TM Pendular Rudders
distant Posted October 26, 2010 Posted October 26, 2010 Not everyone vision is well adapted to stereovision, that's the only theory I have. Let's take a more common setup that many have access to ie Avatar (the movie in S3D), I saw the movie and love the stereoscopic effect but BlackShark in S3D on PC is _much_ better since I can adjust convergence and divergence on the fly to suit my taste. A lot of people also love the movie's S-3D effect, but there are some that do not. How do you like the movie might explain your tendency in S3D game, but again it might not (since that is assuming that you are familiar with how to adjusting convergence and depth of the setup to suite your vision perception.) My wife and mistresses (jk) all like it but not loving it like I do, some other friends also like it but not crazy about it. But then there are some really really dig it like I do. And there are some (visual impaired, one eye is much stronger than the other or something in that vein) just can't see the effects at all. The truth is, once I played S3D games I have never gone back to flat 3D, and it's been a long time. Nowadays I also don't go see any flat movie at the theater anymore, Netflix blueray is much better in the comfort of home and movie theaters are only for S-3D ones.
Callsign.Vega Posted October 26, 2010 Posted October 26, 2010 My eyes are fine and I can see the 3d effect really well. It's just there are so many detractors to the technology that it has no appeal for me. Pro: 3d effect (which I admit is pretty cool for a while) Con's: Wearing awkward glasses Visible shutter effect Half the brightness of a regular image Smooth fast 120Hz screen effectively knocked down to regular 60Hz Limited to low-res tiny 1080p monitors TN LCD panels only with horrible colors, contrast and viewing angles Severe frame rate drop Improper depth of image items in tons of games such as menu's etc As you can see the Con list is quite extensive just for a sole 3d effect. Not only that, I guarantee people will be better players of games/sims in 2d versus 3d. You will not see any competitive games played in 3d for a very, very long time. GPU: RTX 4090 - 3,000 MHz core / 12,000 MHz VRAM. CPU: 7950X3d - 5.2 GHz X3d, 5.8 GHz secondary / MB: ASUS Crosshair X670E Gene / RAM: G.Skill 48GB 6400 MHz SSD: Intel Optane P5800X - 800GB VR: Pimax Crystal CONTROLS: VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base / VPC Constellation ALPHA Prime Grip / VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle / TM Pendular Rudders
Kiezer Posted October 26, 2010 Posted October 26, 2010 So I turned off HDR and TSSAA aswell as MSAA to see if that made a difference. well it didn't as far as I can see the only thing that the 3D does is make it look as if you have the sun visor down as everything is a bit darker :P My failed attempts to get the GRcade community into flight sims :joystick:
Kiezer Posted October 26, 2010 Posted October 26, 2010 Just tryed some thing!!!!!! I dont know if this kinda counts as positive...but I just remembered that I still had BS installed. so i booted it up and tryed out the 3D. now heres the interesting part. Nvidia rated it as "unknown" while it rates A-10 as "BlackShark". Now the results for BS were amazing. Considering that i was expecting there to be nothing just like A-10, i was blowen away! Now if BS is this good in Nvidia s3D why isnt A-10. My only guess is that it is because its still in beta. Anyway. convergance was working on BS and everything looked truly fantastic. gona playaround a bit more. catchas!!!!!! My failed attempts to get the GRcade community into flight sims :joystick:
distant Posted October 26, 2010 Posted October 26, 2010 Welcome to the world of S-3D. Blackshark truly is beautiful in S-3D. Let's hope that ED won't patch it to the A10C compatibility, then likely all that beauty will be gone as well.
Teknetinium Posted October 26, 2010 Posted October 26, 2010 what machines are you using ? 51st PVO Discord SATAC YouTube
distant Posted October 26, 2010 Posted October 26, 2010 i7 920 oc' @4.2GHz, dual SLI GTX285 + Win7 64 + Samsung DLP 61in => Blackshark in S-3D at 1900x1080 is 60- ~100FPS.
distant Posted October 26, 2010 Posted October 26, 2010 @Kiezer: Did you run the A10C in Full Screen or Windowed mode? I know you run BS in fullscreen, that's the only mode that works in S3D. But just in case. Just a side note, there are people reported BS 1.0.2 patch ruin the S-3D compatibility with 3DVision but my BS 1.0.2 still works fine with S-3D.
Kiezer Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 distant- i am pretty sure i am running in full screen average- will do, been trying to figure out how to get A-10 to work in s3D, i even tryed running both BS and A-10 then switching but that just made evrything go kaputte. My failed attempts to get the GRcade community into flight sims :joystick:
Rodney1111 Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 I got A10C to work in S3D I bought the A10C beta today and was really disappointed to find that it did not work with Nvidia stereoscopic 3D, unlike Black Shark which looks amazingly good in S3D. I searched this forum for an answer and found this thread which didn't help, except to confirm others had the same experience as me, i.e. no 3D just slightly darker screen. Eventually I found the solution and thought I should post it back in this thread, so here it is: First let me say this problem has nothing to do with ED at all (although it wouldn't hurt for them to get on the phone to Nvidia to bitch about lack of support for the A10C beta in their latest driver release). Second let me state that you should not change your registry settings unless you know exactly what you are doing. WARNING! you can realy stuff up you computer if you muck about with registry settings not knowing what you are doing. Now that disclaimer is out the way, to get the A10C beta fully working with Nvidia's stereoscopic driver version 260.99: 1) Run Regedit (if you don't know what this is don't touch it, just wait for Nvidia to release an updated driver). 2) Go to the address HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\Stereo3D\GameConfigs\dcs Make the data at above address look like this: (Default) REG_SZ (value not set) Link1 REG_SZ Launcher.exe StereoDX9 REG_DWORD 0x00000001 (1) StereoMemoEnabled REG_DWORD 0x00000001 (0) StereoTextureEnable REG_DWORD 0x00000001 (1) Make sure that when you are running the A-10 beta you have checked "window mode off", the default is to start with it on at least on mine. If you do this everything should work now. The above is what my registry settings look like and the A10C beta now runs brilliantly, as good as black shark, in stereoscopic 3D, on my computer (9800GTX and ancient 21" CRT at 1024*768 @ 100 Hz. No flicker at all and minimal if any shadow. I would rate A10C beta S3D compatability as excellent, apart from the missing driver data issue). Note I am not sure if the StereoDX9 and StereoTextureEnable registry keys are necessary (but I'm not about to remove them to find out for you - I added them myself but they didn't do anything). It wasn't until I added the "Link1 REG_SZ Launcher.exe" bit that everything worked. I suspect this is the only bit you need to add. Note that if you don't already have a dcs "key" (i.e. address in reg edit) as per above you can create it by doing ctrl F7 for save 3D settings when running A10C beta. Note that you add the StereoTextureEnable and StereoDX9 values by chossing "New->DWORD" while you add the critical "Link1 REG_SZ Launcher.exe" bit by choosing "New -> Expandable String Value" (at least I think that was what I did not sure about that last one). Good luck and don't do this unless (unlike me) you know what you are doing. 1
distant Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 (edited) Sensational news. Really appreciate the sharing of this good news m8. But now I'm kinda cool down with the whole beta preorder business, partly because of Motostorm Pacific Rift on PS3 (what an addicted fun game and the level designs work so fantastically in S-3D)+ Grand Turismo 5 is coming out in couple weeks that will likely keep me happy in 3D world for a while. When those wear out a little I might ... Edited November 14, 2010 by distant
topdog Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 Seems to be a typo here, hopefully you can clear it up for peop's as to which it should really be :) The red values should either be both 0 or both 1. StereoMemoEnabled REG_DWORD 0x00000001 (0) StereoTextureEnable REG_DWORD 0x00000001 (1) [ i7 2600k 4.6GHz :: 16GB Mushkin Blackline LV :: EVGA GTX 1080ti 11GB ] [ TM Warthog / Saitek Rudder :: Oculus Rift :: Obutto cockpit :: Acer HN274H 27" 120Hz :: 3D Vision Ready ]
Rodney1111 Posted November 15, 2010 Posted November 15, 2010 Seems to be a typo here, hopefully you can clear it up for peop's as to which it should really be :) The red values should either be both 0 or both 1. StereoMemoEnabled REG_DWORD 0x00000001 (0) StereoTextureEnable REG_DWORD 0x00000001 (1) Should both be zero StereoMemoEnabled REG_DWORD 0x00000000 (0)
vanislepilot Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 Forgive gents, but I can't seem to locate the specified Stereo3D path in regedit. I'm running Win 7 64-bit, and the NVidia in-games stereoscopic profile shows up as the DCS: BS. The options I get in the global path are: DrsPath Hybrid NvCplApi NvSvc NVTweak Startup Any help would be appreciated!
Rodney1111 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 I had the same problem. After updating to Win 7 64 bit and also updating to NVidia graphics driver 266.58 I found the aforementioned folder no longer exists. (I think it was my update to 266.58 today that did it, I'm pretty sure I had DCS A10 working before with Win 7 64 Bit). (The great thing about 266.58 is that I got back 100Hz on my ancient 22" CRT. Amazing the difference going from 85 to 100Hz makes with eliminating flicker. I'd stopped playing A10 because I could only get 85 Hz on the monitor and wouldn't dream of flying in 2D but now I'm backk to 100Hz I can play again). Anyway after updating to 266.58 I found the new location of the required folder to be HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\Stereo3D\GameConfigs\dcs I then found that there was no dcs folder. When I went to create the dcs folder it wouldn't let me because it said the folder already existed. I concluded the folder was hidden (with no immediately apparent option to unhide it). Apparently programmers hide their registry folders when they don't want people fiddling with their registry settings. A quick search of the net shows how to unhide reg folders. Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced\Folder\Hidden\SHOWALL\ And make sure that you have CheckedValue RED_DWORD 0x00000001 (1) With the dcs folder unhidden you can then go to the dcs folder and modify exactly as I describe in previous 2 posts. 3D vision then works very well again.
Rodney1111 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Should both be zero StereoMemoEnabled REG_DWORD 0x00000000 (0) I was reading my old notes and got mixed up with the 0x00000000 (1) bit and went with 0x00000001 (1) instead of 0x00000000 (0) for StereoMemoEnabled and still got the stereoscopic vision working fine. So it would seem it doesn't actually matter what StereoMemoEnabled value is.
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