Ground combat

[Saxit]

Hello all, this is my first post here.

 

I haven't played any serious simulator for years and my F-22 pro with digital chip upgrade is collecting dust somewhere, though I am thinking of getting the new Thrustmaster Warthog and DCS: A-10. I just need to be able to take some time from all the other games I play, like WoW (blasphemy, I know, sorry).

 

Now the reason for this post is actually about inter-connection between the different DCS titles and a future wish. It's totally amazing that you can play several titles that portraits different aircraft and it has so much potential.

 

Black Shark, A-10 and the upcoming Apache are all very tank-buster focused; they are also all aircraft. I would really love if I could gather a bunch of friends where some of us would drive a tank column and while some flew air support and then the rest played on the opposing side and tried to take us out. Is there any plans for a tank sim from ED at all or they are strictly aircraft sim developers? Driving a Leopard 2 A7+ in a realistic sim would make me wet my pants. :)

[joey45]

All DCS modules should be MP combatible..

 

They only do Aircrafts that they can-

 

A] get military contracts for and the client allows them to do a DCS module

 

B] Get as much info as possible to accully do a module.. [4 and 4.5 gen airframes do fall into this]

 

At the moment DCS: Blackshark and FC2 are MP combatible...

Edited October 10, 2010 by joey45

[nomdeplume]

I don't think ED will ever do a tank sim, although DCS doesn't specifically mention 'flight' I've never seen any mention from that they're interested in simulating anything other than aircraft. Tanks would be an entirely different problem domain that the team would have little expertise in, I'm guessing.

 

Have you heard of Steel Beasts? It's quite expensive and there's no demo but it might be what you're looking for if you're a real tank-head.

 

As for your fantasy, I think driving a tank against enemy aircraft would be a very unrewarding experience. You'd be entirely reliant on your air support and dedicated anti-air assets to protect you. You might have a chance of taking shots at an enemy chopper if it was limited to only using its cannon and air support or SAMs were forcing it to remain at low altitude. Against an A-10 in those conditions, I think the only realistic thing you could do would be to hide until your cover announces the skies are clear.

 

Now, this probably isn't what you're looking for, but one of the new features in DCS A-10C is the ability to control ground forces using the map view. I've not actually tested it yet (so many new features, so little time...) but you can have commander slots in MP so you could have human-controlled ground forces maneuvering against human-controlled aircraft in that sense. Might make for some very interesting and entertaining online sessions.

[Poor mans sniper]

Black Shark, A-10 and the upcoming Apache

How do you know this? Source please.

[Saxit]

nomdeplume: I have heard about Steel Beasts and been thinking about getting it but it's the whole idea about being able to play both ground/air in the same campaign that I'm after (especially in multiplayer).

While I do agree that it might be unrewarding to drive tanks vs aircraft the whole idea is to have scenarios that includes tanks/aircraft on both sides and that you're able to control assets both in the air and on the ground. In pure tank sims you have to be aware of enemy tank-busters as well too so I think it could work out (especially if the sim was more like LockOn but for tanks, so that there would be several different vehicles to chose from and one of those might be AA-support).

 

Poor mans sniper: An old article on Sim HQ actually. I think I've read a couple of threads on this forum as well mentioning it but I'm not sure if the project is set in motion yet.

[Poor mans sniper]

nomdeplume: I have heard about Steel Beasts and been thinking about getting it but it's the whole idea about being able to play both ground/air in the same campaign that I'm after (especially in multiplayer).

While I do agree that it might be unrewarding to drive tanks vs aircraft the whole idea is to have scenarios that includes tanks/aircraft on both sides and that you're able to control assets both in the air and on the ground. In pure tank sims you have to be aware of enemy tank-busters as well too so I think it could work out (especially if the sim was more like LockOn but for tanks, so that there would be several different vehicles to chose from and one of those might be AA-support).

 

Poor mans sniper: An old article on Sim HQ actually. I think I've read a couple of threads on this forum as well mentioning it but I'm not sure if the project is set in motion yet.

Oh, that old thing? They said it was canceled. Since you want infantry, aircraft and tanks, you could play Battlefield 2 or ARMA.

[Saxit]

Oh, that old thing? They said it was canceled. Since you want infantry, aircraft and tanks, you could play Battlefield 2 or ARMA.

 

Oh, too bad. The Apache is pretty nice.

I already have BF2 though I haven't tried ARMA. I'd say they're not even close to the hard core sim-genre. :P

I'm pretty sure I will be happy with A10 as it is but it would be nice to have a ground-sim in the future that would connect with the other DCS-games. (And the Leopard 2 is such a lovely piece of equipment.) ;)

[slug88]

Oh, that old thing? They said it was canceled.

 

Source on that?

[norm]

ArmA, in the infantry component is defiantly a sim.

[Poor mans sniper]

Source on that?

http://www.simhq.com/_commentary/all_037e.html

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=48772

[Poor mans sniper]

Oh, too bad. The Apache is pretty nice.

I already have BF2 though I haven't tried ARMA. I'd say they're not even close to the hard core sim-genre. :P

I'm pretty sure I will be happy with A10 as it is but it would be nice to have a ground-sim in the future that would connect with the other DCS-games. (And the Leopard 2 is such a lovely piece of equipment.) ;)

Have you ever heard of Combat Helo? In case you missed out here; http://combathelo.blogspot.com/ This is the Dev log but you can google the game.

EDIT:Sorry, double post.

[slug88]

http://www.simhq.com/_commentary/all_037e.html

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=48772

 

I didn't see anything in those links to indicate it was "cancelled".

 

There was in fact quite a bit of development done for an AH-64A cockpit and it was thought that it may follow the DCS A-10A release, which was planned to follow Black Shark. However, plans had changed and since then the A-10A has been replaced by the upcoming A-10C and the module to follow that is not yet confirmed. Currently, we still hope to release an AH-64A DCS module, but have no updates to provide at this point.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=807382&postcount=4

[bumfire]

Hello all, this is my first post here.

 

I haven't played any serious simulator for years and my F-22 pro with digital chip upgrade is collecting dust somewhere, though I am thinking of getting the new Thrustmaster Warthog and DCS: A-10. I just need to be able to take some time from all the other games I play, like WoW (blasphemy, I know, sorry).

 

Now the reason for this post is actually about inter-connection between the different DCS titles and a future wish. It's totally amazing that you can play several titles that portraits different aircraft and it has so much potential.

 

Black Shark, A-10 and the upcoming Apache are all very tank-buster focused; they are also all aircraft. I would really love if I could gather a bunch of friends where some of us would drive a tank column and while some flew air support and then the rest played on the opposing side and tried to take us out. Is there any plans for a tank sim from ED at all or they are strictly aircraft sim developers? Driving a Leopard 2 A7+ in a realistic sim would make me wet my pants. :)

 

It isnt exactly a sim, but if you want to fly and have buddies in tanks etc, you might like to try arma and arma 2

 

Armed Assault and Armed Assault 2 is the proper names, its about as close to what you want as you can get at this moment in time.

 

As someone already mentioned, the infantry part is as close to a sim as you can get when it comes to FPS games.

 

however, that being said, there isnt anything thats truly "sim" that encompasses Sea, Air and Land, which is a pity, but they are working towards such things, the computers just need to keep getting more powerful and maybe within 10-15 years we will se something like that.

Edited October 12, 2010 by bumfire

[eXor]

however, that being said, there isnt anything thats truly "sim" that encompasses Sea, Air and Land, which is a pity, but they are working towards such things, the computers just need to keep getting more powerful and maybe within 10-15 years we will se something like that.

 

Current hardware is capable of handling such a sim, IMO.

 

When flying the Hog, the CPU is busy with : flight, avionics, weapons, AI, mission / campaign ( and anything else I may have omitted )

 

When driving a tank, the CPU would be busy with much of the same, if not less. You would not be flying the Hog and driving a tank simultaneously.

 

Of course, compromises would have to be made. The terrain looks decent at altitude, but it would look terrible ( by today's standards ) when driving a tank. Some additional graphics routines could be employed to spice up the visuals when on the ground, but that would steal development time from new aircraft modules which just 'fit well' with the current terrain.

 

Personally, I would be very happy with a study tank / Tunguska / e.t.c sim on the current terrain. ED just need to:

 

a) have the desire to broaden their horizons beyond aircraft simulation.

b) have similar military contracts / detailed information for tanks.

c) determine whether the market is there to make it a viable project.

[Tracer2k]

I have been dreaming about a sim that is bit like arma, but a simulator which has several DCS like clients with the depth of DCS series, which would work together. Each for every "aspect".

 

For example you would get an DCS Infantry (lol) or a DCS M1A1 sim which has the ground, vehicle, and other graphical details like arma 2 and another sims for air combat which would have only the rough details of the ground etc like DCS has now so that from air the CPU wouldn't have to load the huge ground details, but they would still work together and form a huge MMO, if you get it what i mean :)

 

But that would need a huge development team, endless amount of resources and a good market.