DSMS Profile vs HUD release mode

[polygonpusher]

p. 528 of the Fight Manual states:

 

"Select to release bomb(s) in CCIP or CCRP release modes. This setting, along with being assigned to the HUD rotary, will determine if the profile is selected in the CCRP or CCIP rotary."

 

Does this mean then that both the HUD and the DSMS profile must always be set to the same release mode for it to work properly?

 

What if the DSMS profile is CCIP for example, but I want to change it quickly using the HUD to release mode to CCRP?

 

Would the weapon then be in CCRP mode or must I also change the DSMS weapon profile to CCRP as well?

 

Thanks,

 

Darrick

Edited October 15, 2010 by polygonpusher
clarification

[SinandGrin]

p. 528 of the Fight Manual states:

 

"Select to release bomb(s) in CCIP or CCRP release modes. This setting, along with being assigned to the HUD rotary, will determine if the profile is selected in the CCRP or CCIP rotary."

 

Does this mean then that both the HUD and the DSMS profile must always be set to the same release mode for it to work properly?

 

What if the DSMS profile is CCIP for example, but I want to change it quickly using the HUD to release mode to CCRP?

 

Would the weapon then be in CCRP mode or must I also change the DSMS weapon profile to CCRP as well?

 

Thanks,

 

Darrick

 

Ah very good question. I would also like to know how the profile setting, either CCIP, or CCRP in the DSMS compares to the master mode i am in for bombing. Does anyone know?

[Frederf]

That's some tricky English there. There are about 100 ways to state that more clearly (and technically correctly) than the manual did.

 

They mean this setting (the ability to change release modes) being assigned to (is controlled by)...

 

Their use of a "setting being assigned to a button" is the most awkward expression of their functional relationship I can imagine. As far as I know, the two control avenues (OSB and DMS) are tickling the same computer function and are thus an either/or arrangement.

 

To select a profile for weapon delivery use, you can do so in five ways:

 HUD rotary selection from the HOTAS

 Select (SEL) +/- rocker switch on the UFC

 From the Profile Main page, select the Activate Profile (ACT PRO) OSB

 From the Status Page, manually select a weapon station by pressing the OSB next to it

(MANUAL)

 The Air-to-Air profile is automatically selected when Air-to-Air HUD mode is selected:

o If GUNS, CCIP, CCRP, or NAV, is commanded, the previous profile will be

reverted to from Air-to-Air.

o The previous profile will be reverted to if AIM-9 mode is set to OFF.

o If the prior mode was MANUAL, the profile would revert to WPNS OFF profile.\

In addition to these 40 profiles, three other profile options are available:

[polygonpusher]

Understood!

 

Thanks so much Frederf!

 

Btw, do you know what the release mode PLT OPT does exactly?

 

It's mentioned in the manual, but not really explained.

 

Thanks...

[BlueRidgeDx]

Pilot Option refers to the inflight ability to select either High Drag or Low Drag configuration for retarded bombs, through Nose, Tail, or Nose/Tail fusing options.

 

It's applicable to the Mk-82AIR, BDU-50 and BDU-56.

[SinandGrin]

That's some tricky English there. There are about 100 ways to state that more clearly (and technically correctly) than the manual did.

 

They mean this setting (the ability to change release modes) being assigned to (is controlled by)...

 

Their use of a "setting being assigned to a button" is the most awkward expression of their functional relationship I can imagine. As far as I know, the two control avenues (OSB and DMS) are tickling the same computer function and are thus an either/or arrangement.

 

Ok so then what is the point in going into the DSMS page and augmenting a weapon profile to be CCIP or CCRP, if you can bring up the CCIP or CCRP with the master mode button and then select the weapon profile of your choice. It seems like and extraneous or non needed option to have in the DSMS settings.

[Frederf]

I believe it sets up what the default/#1 profile is going to be for the weapon when you call it up initially instead of having to find it in the list with a few DMS hits. It is a bit redundant though. The SMS page allows you to create, reorder, edit profiles so setting "this is the one I want" is a natural expansion on those other abilities.

[BlueRidgeDx]

Does this mean then that both the HUD and the DSMS profile must always be set to the same release mode for it to work properly?

 

What if the DSMS profile is CCIP for example, but I want to change it quickly using the HUD to release mode to CCRP?

 

Would the weapon then be in CCRP mode or must I also change the DSMS weapon profile to CCRP as well?

 

I'll also take a crack at your original questions to supplement the other answer.

 

No, they don't have to be the same. But note that regardless of Master Mode, cycling through the HUD rotary will automatically select CCIP/CCRP as set in the selected profile.

 

If the selected DSMS profile is set up for CCRP, and you want to employ with CCIP instead, just step through the master modes until CCIP is selected. This will keep the current profile (SGL/PRS, N/T, etc.) but will override the Delivery Mode.

 

DSMS profiles is one of the reasons why I started the "DTS" thread in the main forum. In reality, you would have multiple profiles set up for common deliveries or for standard training events. These profiles would be loaded via the DTC prior to each mission, and allow for a standard set of release profiles without having to constantly create mission specific ones.

 

Prior to takeoff, take some time to create various DSMS profiles to get familiar with how they work. Using the Mk-82 LDGP as an example, access the MANUAL profile by selecting a Mk-82 station from the DSMS. Manual profiles are identified by M/ followed by the weapon type, so M/MK-82 in this case.

 

Press the PROF OSB, and it will take you directly to Profile Control page. Change the settings as desired, and don't forget to access the CHG SET OSB to choose your SEM, and MIN ALT, and TOF settings. Finally, give your profile a name. Following a standardized naming convention is useful for a variety of reasons.

 

A good rule of thumb is to use the first three digits to represent the weapon type, the next four digits for the delivery type, and the final digit for the weapon quantity.

 

For instance, a 30 degree Dive Bomb pass releasing 4 Mk-82's would be named:

 

82 30DB4

 

Whereas a 10 degree High Drag pass releasing 2 Mk-82AIR's would be named:

 

82A10HD2

 

Enter the appropriate name on the UFC, pressing the LTR key to change to alpha mode as necessary. Press the NEW OSB, then the flashing SAVE OSB.

 

Do this for as many profiles as you wish to use, up to a maximum of 20.

[polygonpusher]

Good stuff, Thanks!

[SinandGrin]

Very good description guys. Thanks for all the clarification!