New MIGs are coolers

[GGTharos]

I would imagine you'd have better luck with a Su-27S or a MiG-29A upgrade, but who knows. I don't really know what happens behind the scenes.

 

They don't choose the aircraft, at least for now - they model aircraft after contracts that they get for militaries.

 

Then all that is left is to wait until they launch the new sim. to see what aircraft they chose,

 

HOPING FOR A MIG-29M or K

[Shinigami]

I would imagine you'd have better luck with a Su-27S or a MiG-29A upgrade, but who knows. I don't really know what happens behind the scenes.

 

They don't choose the aircraft, at least for now - they model aircraft after contracts that they get for militaries.

 

If the choosing process is that way we have hi possibilities that get a Mig-29M or a MiG-29SMT also MIG-29K cause the russian and indian are buying thous...

 

And they have to train the pilots in the new avionic suite...

 

Shinigami Out......

[GGTharos]

While there might be other things that TBS does, currently and AFAIK, DTS is useful in training upgrades of the same aircraft, rather than training for a new aircraft for a given air force. Such a simulator and training are usually already provided - but again, who knows.

[Shinigami]

You know when TBS the next aircraft???

 

also what's the meaning of DTS I suppose is Digital Training Simulation???

Edited March 9, 2011 by Shinigami

[Shinigami]

Hi:

 

Yesterday I was researching for my thesis and came across some info on the Su-30MKI and Su-35,

 

I now regret putting in the poll the Su-30MK it would been better if I have put the Su-35 or Su-30MKI, That let me to think, Is there a way of changing the poll. Or it's necessary to make one new???

 

Any idea on that?????

 

Shinigami Out....

[GGTharos]

I don't think you need to worry about the poll at all. :P

These polls are largely meaningless ;)

 

Feel free to ask people's opinions if you think they're useful for your thesis though (what is your thesis?)

[Shinigami]

I don't think you need to worry about the poll at all. :P

These polls are largely meaningless ;)

 

Men don't take me the hopes so brutally...... I was truly hopeful that they hear us.

 

Feel free to ask people's opinions if you think they're useful for your thesis though (what is your thesis?)

 

I'm a 5 year student of system engineer and my thesis is about missiles and planes simulation, the name is:

 

Sistema para la simulacion de lanzamiento de misiles en plataformas aerias.

 

what would be in English something like:

 

System for the simulation of missiles launch form aerial delivery platform or something like that.

[GGTharos]

Men don't take me the hopes so brutally...... I was truly hopeful that they hear us.

 

ED will simulate whatever they end up making a DTS for (if they get permission to make a DCS module out of it), not what people choose in polls. In the case that they might have a couple modules that they want to do, then they MAY look at polls.

 

I'm a 5 year student of system engineer and my thesis is about missiles and planes simulation, the name is:

 

Sistema para la simulacion de lanzamiento de misiles en plataformas aerias.

 

what would be in English something like:

 

System for the simulation of missiles launch form aerial delivery platform or something like that.

I'm not sure what your poll has to do with any of this. Undoubtedly you must have already found missile simulation documentation as done in various US theses, perhaps some Russian and Chinese ones as well.

 

Also I suggest looking at Minizap and Dr. Freeman's book.

[Shinigami]

Yes, Yes my thesis don't have anything to do with the poll the poll if for fun, cause a like to play simulators I was hoping that DCS make one of the modern mig or sukhoi that's all.

 

Earlier what I say was: that in the research for the thesis I found info on the Su-35, and now I'm in love with the plane. for that reason I wanted to change the poll to see if they made the sim of the Su-35

Edited March 10, 2011 by Shinigami

[ФрогФут]

I was truly hopeful that they hear us.

Hope for the one of the most modern russian aircraft that is going to be in Russian AF service dies the last.:D

[Shinigami]

Hope for the one of the most modern russian aircraft that is going to be in Russian AF service dies the last.:D

 

So if I get you rigth is goin to be the most modern Russian figther aircraft????

[GGTharos]

No, you get him wrong.

 

Chances of simulating even Su-27SM/SM2 are small, never mind Su-35 or T-50.

 

So if I get you rigth is goin to be the most modern Russian figther aircraft????

[104th_Crunch]

Yes, because everything is more secret for the latest versions of aircraft, so something older is more likely. Now you have your proof that ED listens :)

[Alfa]

No, you get him wrong.

 

I think you did too :D

 

Chances of simulating even Su-27SM/SM2 are small, never mind Su-35 or T-50.

 

I am pretty sure he wasn't thinking on any of those.

[59th_Buncsi]

Yes, because everything is more secret for the latest versions of aircraft, so something older is more likely. Now you have your proof that ED listens :)

 

Thats why 9.12 of MiG-29 is a good choice. Almost out of service from everywhere. There are only some country what use the original basic version.

Edited March 11, 2011 by 59th_Buncsi

[104th_Crunch]

Thats why 9.12 of MiG-29 is a good choice. Almost out of service from everywhere. There are only some country what use the original basic version.

 

..but MiG-29K carrier ops would be sweet :)

[hassata]

iraqi have a decent readiness but they were flaying in old planes and with lite o non ground support, and were outnumbered.

 

Honestly, Iraqi pilots were not trained to do much besides take off and land. This was due to the regime mentality, which viewed the Air Force and it's officers as a possible source of rebellion. This is further manifest elsewhere where you see regimes keep Air Defense command separate from the Air Force.

[RIPTIDE]

Honestly, Iraqi pilots were not trained to do much besides take off and land. This was due to the regime mentality, which viewed the Air Force and it's officers as a possible source of rebellion. This is further manifest elsewhere where you see regimes keep Air Defense command separate from the Air Force.

Yes. This was also a common theme with the Iranian airforce and seems to be the same theme in a lot of countries.

[GGTharos]

And that's exactly why they executed their trained tactics which actually did work - at least up to a point. Right? I mean they were such n00bs that by sheer luck 4 Iraqi aircraft avoided being killed BVR and got into deliberate BFM (or almost close enough for it in some cases) with them eagles.

 

Honestly, Iraqi pilots were not trained to do much besides take off and land. This was due to the regime mentality, which viewed the Air Force and it's officers as a possible source of rebellion. This is further manifest elsewhere where you see regimes keep Air Defense command separate from the Air Force.

[hassata]

I can't tell of that's sarcasm or not. The few that managed to get within visual did so principally because there were so many assets in the air that coalition pilots erred on the side of caution before launching BVR. Further, there are quite a few bases in Iraq, which meant that a fighter stood a chance of getting wheels up right in the thick of it before getting destroyed. Unless you're talking about the two planes downed by the Saudi pilot. Of course, those were deliberately allowed to enter airspace under controlled conditions so that a Saudi pilot could manage a PR kill. And if the Iraqi pilots managed to get through BVR, which is the Mig's achilles heal, to BFM, where in the right hands it is arguably superior, you'd think they would have managed a kill.

 

All of this is not to say there weren't any decent Iraqi pilots. Pilots are like athletes, and some are naturally gifted. The point is they were deliberately not trained to excellence or allowed to practice so that they wouldn't pose a threat to the regime. In fact, solo flights are often conducted with just enough fuel for a few touch-and-go's to guard against defections (somewhat of an endemic problem in Iraq under different regimes since the country established an Air Force).

 

So why an Air Force at all, then? Some countries acquire aircraft to bomb their own people when they get out of line (Libya, anyone?). And don't forget the massive amount of theft that occurs when high tech weaponry is purchased.

[GGTharos]

I can't tell of that's sarcasm or not.

 

It is.

 

The few that managed to get within visual did so principally because there were so many assets in the air that coalition pilots erred on the side of caution before launching BVR.

 

That wasn't what happened.

[hassata]

Let's step back for a second. You are supporting your contention that the Iraqi Air Force in 1991 was well trained by stating that 4 out of 591 combat aircraft managed to get within visual? Ah yes, very convincing.

[GGTharos]

Iraqi aircraft which ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN A2A used tactics that could have been successful.

 

Are you saying that you'd like to include aircraft that were running away to Iran, ground-pounders and helicopters in that group?

 

Let's step back for a second. You are supporting your contention that the Iraqi Air Force in 1991 was well trained by stating that 4 out of 591 combat aircraft managed to get within visual? Ah yes, very convincing.

[hassata]

Iraqi aircraft which ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN A2A used tactics that could have been successful.

 

Sure, with the proper support and training.

Edited March 11, 2011 by hassata

[GGTharos]

They had proper support (GCI) and training (they executed the prescribed tactics correctly).

 

Sure, with the proper support and training.