Problems with MAVs slewing pipper disapearing under HUD

[WheelChair]

Hello Nice Pilots!

 

Need some guidance here I am learning MAVs for a week now finally got it to work but I have the worst time with the MAVs camera slewing pipper it keeps locking on anything and going off my HUD into something called gimble limits. It takes forever to slew it back out of there as well.

 

I have observed on one occasion the pipper return itself to just above the horizon where it doesn't lock on anything and its ready for use as long as I don't move it over land.

 

What I think I am asking for is, is there a centering key/command to bring it back to a certain location where it won't lock on the first thing it passes over.

 

thanx much,

 

Wheels

[Kenan]

Actually, there's a key which by being held for few seconds, resets the MAV targeting circle to the middle of the HUD. I have it mapped on my X52 but have no idea what's the name of the command. Someone more knoweldgable will tell you exactly what to look for.

[SmokeyTheLung]

China hat aft short (I think the key is C)

[WheelChair]

After reading further in the manual I thought I might try to see if there is a centering key/command for the bombing or tgp function and you are right it is the china hat back which is the c key at least on the tgp.

I will check it out now for the MAVs and post back.

 

thanx again all,

 

Wheels

[S77th-konkussion]

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[S77th-konkussion]

By the way- slaving Mavericks to the targeting pod is MUCH more effective way to employ them..

[WheelChair]

After reading further in the manual I thought I might try to see if there is a centering key/command for the bombing or tgp function and you are right it is the china hat back which is the c key at least on the tgp.

I will check it out now for the MAVs and post back.

 

thanx again all,

 

Wheels

 

That's affirmative it is the China Hat Aft or the "C" key that recenters the MAVs pipper as well as the TGP.

 

thanx,

 

W__

[WheelChair]

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Thanx

S77th-konkussion

I will give the TGP and MAVs a looksee.

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WOW nice layout very easy to read and understand to boot!

 

W__

[S77th-konkussion]

Thanks- but the creators' name is on that sheet. Print it off duplex..

[zoltron24]

By the way- slaving Mavericks to the targeting pod is MUCH more effective way to employ them..

 

^this

[luckybob9]

China Hat aft short = re-centers the maverick sight to the center

China Hat forward long = slews it to the targeting pods POI

 

Make sure you do TMS up long before china hat as this sets the mark as POI

[zamboni]

This may be a good place to ask this question...How *should* I be dealing with slaving the Mavs while orbiting etc (Just wondering how the real life guys do it).

 

Usually when in a mission and I'm on the radio with JTAC. I'm in orbit, JTAC sends me the coordinates on the map. I hook and then set as SPI. After this I usually slave all to SPI, change to the TGP to search for target. While orbiting the Mav has a tendency to hit the seeker limit when at the 180 position and it has to slew all the way around to the other side.

 

Is this slewing good for the Mav? especially if you have to orbit a bit.....should I just leave it slaved or maybe switch Mav to SOI and recage the seeker head to boresight and then reslave it when I am doing an attack run. Any ideas?

[andysim]

I believe a pilot should use all the tools that are avalible to him/her. The TGP is the best tool in the entire world ever! (well at least as for as CAS aircraft go =)) Learning to use the TGP to slave the MAV is worthwhile.

 

Then again maybe you like to do it the old fasion way. But each to thier own :pilotfly: :joystick:

[oritpro]

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Forum post:

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Oh wow, that is awesome! :thumbup:

[S77th-konkussion]

This may be a good place to ask this question...How *should* I be dealing with slaving the Mavs while orbiting etc (Just wondering how the real life guys do it).

 

Usually when in a mission and I'm on the radio with JTAC. I'm in orbit, JTAC sends me the coordinates on the map. I hook and then set as SPI. After this I usually slave all to SPI, change to the TGP to search for target. While orbiting the Mav has a tendency to hit the seeker limit when at the 180 position and it has to slew all the way around to the other side.

 

Is this slewing good for the Mav? especially if you have to orbit a bit.....should I just leave it slaved or maybe switch Mav to SOI and recage the seeker head to boresight and then reslave it when I am doing an attack run. Any ideas?

 

I suppose one could speculate that using the Mav seeker directly might be more common IRL - if for no other reason- the CCD & especially the IR picture might be of better quality, thus the pilot has better contrast to work with >> the Maverick seeker locks on more reliably than it does for us in DCS..

 

We might think that because there are fewer steps to launch a MAV directly that this would translate to quicker shootin' from the hip-- I'm not so sure.. These pilots don't just climb into a HAWG- it becomes part of their body. I bet they could airmail you a Maverick pretty damn quickly through the TGP.. Also- it's entirely possible that the Sniper might be easier to use anyway..

[FlyinJ]

Targetting Mavs with the TGP is a better method, however-

 

In the first campaign, with cloud cover at 1,000 feet, this is impossible.

 

I actually have no idea how I'm supposed to deploy my mavs without getting my bird shot up with that low of a cloud cover.

[S77th-konkussion]

Is this slewing good for the Mav? especially if you have to orbit a bit.....should I just leave it slaved or maybe switch Mav to SOI and recage the seeker head to boresight and then reslave it when I am doing an attack run. Any ideas?

 

 

Good question for Paul. If he doesn't know- he could probably find out pretty quickly.. FWIW I tend to boresite mine if I am forced to make another run on a target... Just didn't want to take a chance that it wouldn't track, etc...

[zamboni]

Good question for Paul. If he doesn't know- he could probably find out pretty quickly.. FWIW I tend to boresite mine if I am forced to make another run on a target... Just didn't want to take a chance that it wouldn't track, etc...

 

I probably have a tendency to orbit too close to the front lines :). When I have everything squared away with the TGP (have already slaved all to the SPI) and I turn to roll into attack, many of the times it takes the Mav seeker to align with the SPI after a gimble lock.

 

While orbiting it may be better to boresight the Mav, go back to TGB to get final targeting squared away. When rolling in on target Mav SOI, Slave all to SPI, and it should be a quick slew of the seeker head

[Baggy MacDouche]

This is usually the way I go about it. Sometimes I'll use the targeting box on the HUD to get in the general area, switch to TGP for target acquisition, and then to MAV for the final solution.

 

My question is, when I've got a target SPI from the TGP and then slave the MAV to the SPI, the MAV will be centered and locked on the target. But if I try and launch the missile at that point I get an error(can't remember which one right now). I have to slew the MAV and reacquire the target. Is this normal, or am I doing something wrong.

 

I'm still learning, but I get kind of frustrated with MAVs. I have a much harder time picking out targets as you can't change the contrast like the TGP. The missions I'm doing now is the early second campaign and you are loaded out with AGM-65Ds, which AFAIK, don't work with force correlate mode. When I'm trying to lock a target using the MAV seeker, it moves around a lot. I've tried ground stabilizing but that only works until I need to slew again.

 

Is there anything I'm missing that can make my life easier wrt using MAVs? :)

[StrongHarm]

You get an error when the missile head isn't within the proper cone of trajectory. This cone narrows the closer you are to the target. The missile only has so much turn capability.

 

For easier acquisition try this:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1138499#post1138499

[zamboni]

My question is, when I've got a target SPI from the TGP and then slave the MAV to the SPI, the MAV will be centered and locked on the target. But if I try and launch the missile at that point I get an error(can't remember which one right now). I have to slew the MAV and reacquire the target. Is this normal, or am I doing something wrong.

 

I'm still learning, but I get kind of frustrated with MAVs. I have a much harder time picking out targets as you can't change the contrast like the TGP. The missions I'm doing now is the early second campaign and you are loaded out with AGM-65Ds, which AFAIK, don't work with force correlate mode. When I'm trying to lock a target using the MAV seeker, it moves around a lot. I've tried ground stabilizing but that only works until I need to slew again.

 

Is there anything I'm missing that can make my life easier wrt using MAVs? :)

 

You are probably getting a "NO TRACK LAUNCH IHBT" message. When you slave the Mav to SPI it only ground stabilizes the Maverick. You must also to a TMS Forward Short to start the seeker head to track and lock.

 

It is tough picking things out solely with the Mav seeeker head. The only thing I can recommend is when you to the original track and SPI mark with the TGB is to note the positions of the other targets in the area, may help you with the general direction to slew the second Mav after you shoot the first one. It also helps to zoom the seeker head in with China Hat Forward Short.

[Baggy MacDouche]

Thanks fellas, will try that. Think I was missing the TMS Forward Short part.

 

So loving this sim. :D