X-65F Help

[cavedog]

Hi guys, New flyer here just have a Question about the X-65F Saitek , I can't seem to be able to calibrate to the centre (as in pulling to the left ) is it a software thing?

Have sent an email to Saitek but have not heard anything back, only got it about 10 days ago,

(No new register on their forums), ATM I just trim in game but I think it might have to be a RMA job?

Or is there a fix someware that I haven’t found.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for your time guys.:pilotfly:

[EtherealN]

What exactly do you mean by "calibrate to the centre"? Is your stick not centered in the simulator or are you experiencing issues with trim?

 

Have you ensured that ForceFeedBack is disabled in the options screen of the simulator? (Under Misc)

[cavedog]

Hi, EtherealN,

It’s the software that came with the X-65X. (Updated to the latest)

ForceFeedBack is off, and I’ve tried the unplug and plug back in.

If I don’t trim in game it will pull to the left. Hope that clears it up ,bit tired after work and can’t think of the words I need to explain it lol.

[EtherealN]

Please start the simulator with you on the runway, and then press Right Control and Enter. You'll get a box like the below. Without pressure on the stick it should look like the left one. In the right one I have added some pressure to the stick and thus moved the control.

 

If it looks like the left one, what you are seeing in the simulator is most likely caused by asymmetric load and everything is fine. If it looks like the right one even without any pressure, there is a calibration issue somewhere - either the stick itself, the drivers/software suite, or the simulator (though the simulator is unlikely due to it "simply" reading what DirectInput tells it).

 

 

EDIT: Note that with that stick being force-sensing, do this test with your hand completely off of the stick. It is theoretically possible that something with how you rest your hand on the stick is causing it to read input even though you think you aren't applying any force. In that case it's just a matter of getting used to the stick.

Edited March 30, 2011 by EtherealN

[Ptroinks]

Make sure the stick is on a completely level surface when you calibrate it. If it's tilted a little bit in any direction, it will screw up the calibration (something I read at another forum).

[cavedog]

Have done what you have ask and uploaded a pic.

 

 

and Ptroinks i read that as well and have tried it a few times. But thanks.:thumbup:

[Outlaw24]

Hi, EtherealN,

It’s the software that came with the X-65X. (Updated to the latest)

ForceFeedBack is off, and I’ve tried the unplug and plug back in.

If I don’t trim in game it will pull to the left. Hope that clears it up ,bit tired after work and can’t think of the words I need to explain it lol.

 

Your problem is not with DCS-A10C, I think your are dealing with a know bug with the X-65F, here check out their forum and read the history on this problem http://www.saitekforum.com/showthread.php?t=19468

[Total]

Also, let me add this in:

 

My X52 goes off axis to the left occasionally and has since I owned it. With the USB cable still plugged in, unplug the cable that connects the stick to the throttle. Leave it unplugged for about 2-3 seconds and then plug it back in.

 

That always corrects it for me on the X52 and I have seen some reports (that went largely ignored) saying it works on the X65 as well.

 

...and always do some research on a highly expensive product before buying. Research both the good and the bad ;)

[jeffyd123]

I have an x65 cavedog...

 

First open up the Saitek control panel (lets you tune the stick, NOT the programming software). In there you can see if the stick is off center or is "floating".

 

If the center is a little bit off (which they all are pretty much), then put in a small amount of deadzone to cover the offset. Dont try to do this in the sim's axis controls... you want to do this in the saitek control panel.

 

If this isnt it, then your plane just needs trimming... they do tend to want to roll left or right after takeoff, and its very pronounced when loaded with ordinance.

[Ptroinks]

Also, let me add this in:

 

My X52 goes off axis to the left occasionally and has since I owned it. With the USB cable still plugged in, unplug the cable that connects the stick to the throttle. Leave it unplugged for about 2-3 seconds and then plug it back in.

 

That always corrects it for me on the X52 and I have seen some reports (that went largely ignored) saying it works on the X65 as well.

 

This may be a general Saitek issue, then. I have that problem with my Pro Flight Yoke (not used for A-10 flying ;) ), and I have to do the same thing to fix it (temporarily, that is).

[Total]

I dunno about it being just Saitek.

 

My first stick was a Logitech and it drifted far to the left and resetting it was the only way to fix it. I bought a new one of the same model and it started doing it right off.

 

Almost every time I hear of a joystick of any make/model losing its center calibration, it's always been to the left.

 

There was a time when the cursor on my desktop would slowly drift upwards without warning. Isolated it to the ministick on my X52. I had to move the ministick to get it stop moving my desktop cursor. Was annoying as heck! By circumstance, I was going to be reformatting my system around that time, so I decided to see what impact that would have.

 

I haven't had the problem since....and that was several years ago.

 

Sometimes, I think these issues are not faulty hardware, but a miscommunication between the device drivers, the USB firmware, USB Drivers, and the OS itself. The manufacturers of the hardware rarely make the USB firmware from scratch. They usually use an SDK released by the component's manufacturer as a starting point. Such issues can the fault of the joystick manufacturer. It could also very well be a problem with the firmware SDK or a problem within the OS architecture itself and out of the hands of the joystsick manufacturer.

 

We may never though....

Edited March 30, 2011 by Total

[cavedog]

Your problem is not with DCS-A10C, I think your are dealing with a know bug with the X-65F, here check out their forum and read the history on this problem http://www.saitekforum.com/showthread.php?t=19468

sorry m8 all i get from that link is Sorry, registration has been disabled by the administrator...lol

 

Thanks for the help guys , its not really a big deal for now just new to flying the A-10c and feel i need about 30 fingers to push buttons while flying .

 

Just wanted to make sure my X-65 wasn't broken and seems quiet a few have the same problem. Cheers again guys:thumbup:

[Le0kong]

It is a hardware problem, one that is normally addressed by other manufacturers by supplying the stick with a calibration option in the drivers. The X65F drivers don't have that, only the Beta drivers, but these remove the Force Settings making them useless, and the development of these drivers seems dead anyway. This centering problem is less visible when using high force settings too.

 

 

Get a login and password from BugMeNot to enter the Saitek forum, and see the sad state from lack of support.

[cavedog]

It is a hardware problem, one that is normally addressed by other manufacturers by supplying the stick with a calibration option in the drivers. The X65F drivers don't have that, only the Beta drivers, but these remove the Force Settings making them useless, and the development of these drivers seems dead anyway. This centering problem is less visible when using high force settings too.

 

 

Get a login and password from BugMeNot to enter the Saitek forum, and see the sad state from lack of support.

 

Thanks Le0kong, that's a bit sad that they have no support for X-65 , I only went with Saitek because i had a X45 that's been going great for 5-6years now, just wanted something a bit more fancy.. lol :doh:

[Bvoiash]

I have an X-65F myself and the joystick is not perfectly centered either. It would be great if Saitek release a new driver in the future that will fix that problem. Having said that though I have never encountered any other problem with the HOTAS and so far I think it is somewhere between a good to very good system. Though it could do with improvements.

 

I'm a bit worried myself when I read that there is lack of support from Saitek but fortunately so far I haven't required any.

[jeffyd123]

yup, me either... My stick has performed flawlessly.

 

It was a tiny bit off center but i made a dead zone around it and it has never been off center in the game.

You can make a pretty large dead zone on the X65 because there is no actual center to it.... like there would be with a stick that moves.

 

Just a matter of trimming the aircraft out for me. I spend as much time trimming the A10 as using the stick for flight LOL

[Bvoiash]

Yeah, the A-10C does require constant trimming doesn't it. Something that hopefully won't be required for the aircraft of the next DCS module.

[EtherealN]

Yeah, the A-10C does require constant trimming doesn't it. Something that hopefully won't be required for the aircraft of the next DCS module.

 

Trimming is part and parcel of pretty much all aviation. Don't think of it as something extra to do, just practice it and you'll start trimming without even thinking about it. Sufficient automation might bypass the need, ofc, though.