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[GGTharos]

Yes, it could. But hey, maybe my -34 is mistaken.

 

AN/APG 63 could not. That was original radar, even on F-15C right? AMRAAM capability was introduced after MSIP II, when AN/APG 70 was installed in all new C models and as update to all A and existing C models.

[Pilotasso]

Original F-15C had AN/APG 63 radar and could not use AMRAAM.

 

That was easy to prove wrong. :)

 

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Yes, it could. But hey, maybe my -34 is mistaken.

I am reading "Combat Legend F-15 Eagle and Strike Eagle", page 57, it says that the MSIP II added "support for the AIM-120 AMRAAM".

 

Reminder: SAM = Stealth STOP!

[GGTharos]

AMRAAM support was officially added as part of MSIP capability in '87 for APG-63. F-15C's were still rolling off the production line so, like it or not, there were plenty of F-15C's with stock AMRAAM capability, not to mention aircraft that had been upgraded to have the capability prior to this.

 

I am reading "Combat Legend F-15 Eagle and Strike Eagle", page 57, it says that the MSIP II added "support for the AIM-120 AMRAAM".

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

That was easy to prove wrong. :)

Either your article or my book is wrong. Although, your article is talking about test firing. And usually tests of new technologies include some kind of modifications/upgrades. Test platform could use APG 63, but the question is was it a standard or modified APG 63.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

AMRAAM support was officially added as part of MSIP capability in '87 for APG-63.

That is MSIP II right?

 

Reminder: SAM = Stealth STOP!

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Because the AMRAAM wasn't in service. It was supposed to be in service 6-7 years before it was accepted.

This is your post #65.

 

Reminder: SAM = Stealth STOP!

[Pilotasso]

Either your article or my book is wrong. Although, your article is talking about test firing. And usually tests of new technologies include some kind of modifications/upgrades. Test platform could use APG 63, but the question is was it a standard or modified APG 63.

 

Its not an article, its a detailed book by Mike Spick and Bill Gunston. Heres another excerpt from the same book.

 

Quality is low because thats hard to scan right near the middle.

Edited May 6, 2011 by Pilotasso

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Its not an article, its a detailed book by Mike Spick and Bill Gunston. Heres another excerpt from the same book.

The text on that page says exactly what I said in my posts #74 and #75. This text provides further endorsement to what I said in my post #80. Also this text puts in doubt that standard (unmodified, as used in original F-15C in 1979) APG 63 was used for test firing of AMRAAM, as you implied in your post #77.

[Pilotasso]

No it does not haj, your missing a critical detail:

my book clearly says F-15A's and C's in 1983 with added signal processor. That was BEFORE later production F-15C's started to roll off the assembly line with APG-70's years after.

 

The referred MSIP aircraft had APG-63's.

Edited May 7, 2011 by Pilotasso

[GGTharos]

APG-70 was not required for AMRAAM. I have a far more detailed timeline of development for the APG-63 than you do - incidentally, it comes from the USAF, not someone writing about the USAF. Your text is fine, but it isn't telling you everything.

 

The text on that page says exactly what I said in my posts #74 and #75. This text provides further endorsement to what I said in my post #80. Also this text puts in doubt that standard (unmodified, as used in original F-15C in 1979) APG 63 was used for test firing of AMRAAM, as you implied in your post #77.

[RIPTIDE]

APG-70 was not required for AMRAAM. I have a far more detailed timeline of development for the APG-63 than you do - incidentally, it comes from the USAF, not someone writing about the USAF. Your text is fine, but it isn't telling you everything.

 

 

(All credits for this go to someone else... he knows who he is :D )

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

No it does not haj, your missing a critical detail:

my book clearly says F-15A's and C's in 1983 with added signal processor. That was BEFORE later production F-15C's started to roll off the assembly line with APG-70's years after.

 

The referred MSIP aircraft had APG-63's.

This is further enhancing my statement. Which was that the F-15C as it appeared in 1979 could not fire AMRAAM. It needed, as per your book, "additional signal processor" or per my book, Multiple Stage Improvement Program (MSIP) version II, where the first fully upgraded MSIP rolled out of the hangar in 1985.

[GGTharos]

PSP was added well before '85.

[Pilotasso]

haj you can clearly see earlier dates than that in the material I supplied. Your in denial again.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Pilotasso, what are the dates? You are again confused.

[4cHerros]

 

 

(All credits for this go to someone else... he knows who he is :D )

 

 

 

Tou dont need SAM for that,NEVA is enough........worked for us :thumbup:

[Pilotasso]

Pilotasso, what are the dates? You are again confused.

 

Im not confused, Im simply trying to explain the fact that F-15's got their AMRAAM compatibility starting in 1983 with APG-63's+MSIP I yet you pay a blind eye to it entirely. This is enough to debunk your theory that the radar modelled in LOMAC couldn't handle the AMRAAM.

[GGTharos]

And with all this fun stuff, this thread has officially circled the drain long enough.

 

Closed.