MSBoxer Posted June 22, 2011 Posted June 22, 2011 OK, I have searched, I have studied and I have tried without success. Here is my dream. I have a Cyborg Evo...(why Oh why did I get rid of my old CH gear!) and a Logitech Momo red. I want to use the Momo pedals for rudder and the steering wheel for the collective. The problem is I cannot get the pedals to recognize properly and the steering wheel reports as the X-Axis conflicting with my joystick. What am I missing in the Logitech profile manager? Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Thanks
winz Posted June 22, 2011 Posted June 22, 2011 You must set the pedals to be a combined axis in the Logitech profile manager. The Valley A-10C Version Revanche for FC 3
MSBoxer Posted June 22, 2011 Author Posted June 22, 2011 Already did that...only recognizes break pedal
winz Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Don't you have a profile or something where it has to be set aswell? The combined pedals are working for me no problem. The Valley A-10C Version Revanche for FC 3
ZQuickSilverZ Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Im a bit confused. How do you use a race wheel as a collective? Would it not just return to center? Even if it did not return to center how would you put the full/minimum limits on it. Can you maybe post a crude picture of the concept. I am very intrigued. I need, I need, I need... What about my wants? QuickSilver original. "Off with his job" Mr Burns on the Simpsons. "I've seen steering wheels / arcade sticks / flight sticks for over a hundred dollars; why be surprised at a 150 dollar item that includes the complexities of this controller?! It has BLINKY LIGHTS!!" author unknown. These titles are listed in the chronological order I purchased them. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
winz Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 You can pull the external power supply out to stop recentering on a force feedback wheel. A FF Racing wheel is centered by the FF motor, which needs to be powered by an external power supple, USB is not enough. No external power supply = no centerning. The Valley A-10C Version Revanche for FC 3
MSBoxer Posted June 23, 2011 Author Posted June 23, 2011 My profile manager has the combined pedals checked, but when I go to assign the axis in BS the brake pedal has full control while the accelerator pedal does nothing. If I can get this working I plan on mounting the steering wheel on the left side of my chair (or on a low table) and simply rotate the wheel to control collective. Winz is correct with the external power removed (or with FF off) the wheel does not center and has minimal resistance. I have even played with the idea of velcroing a piece of PVC to the wheel so that it operates as more of a collective stick. I would simply adjust the saturation in BS to account for less travel.
PlainSight Posted June 25, 2011 Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) My profile manager has the combined pedals checked, but when I go to assign the axis in BS the brake pedal has full control while the accelerator pedal does nothing. If I can get this working I plan on mounting the steering wheel on the left side of my chair (or on a low table) and simply rotate the wheel to control collective. Winz is correct with the external power removed (or with FF off) the wheel does not center and has minimal resistance. I have even played with the idea of velcroing a piece of PVC to the wheel so that it operates as more of a collective stick. I would simply adjust the saturation in BS to account for less travel. Have you tried using Glovepie and PPjoy? here's my pedals script: PPJoy6.Analog0 = 0.5*Joystick5.y - 0.5*Joystick5.dial PPjoy6 is a virtual joystick and Joy5.y and joy5.dial are G25 throttle and clutch pedal. In momo case, you'd just put in PPJoyN.Analog0 = 0.5*JoystickN.y - 0.5*JoystickN.rz EDIT: fixed script Edited June 25, 2011 by PlainSight [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
MSBoxer Posted June 25, 2011 Author Posted June 25, 2011 PlainSight< Thanks for the Glovepie recommendation. One question - how do I know which joystick number my momo is for input?
PlainSight Posted June 25, 2011 Posted June 25, 2011 PlainSight< Thanks for the Glovepie recommendation. One question - how do I know which joystick number my momo is for input? That's your USB controller indexing. I use an Autohotkey script to find that out.: 1Joy1:: send {1} 2Joy1:: send {2} 3Joy1:: send {3} 4Joy1:: send {4} 5Joy1:: Send {5} 6joy1:: Send {6} [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
MSBoxer Posted June 26, 2011 Author Posted June 26, 2011 Plainsight, Perfect, I have the glovepie file set up. New problem. It seems that BS is still detecting the native joystick and momo even though I have cleared their settings in BS-Options-Assign Axis. Do I need to modify a lua so that BS does not recognize those 'sticks' at all?
PlainSight Posted June 26, 2011 Posted June 26, 2011 Plainsight, Perfect, I have the glovepie file set up. New problem. It seems that BS is still detecting the native joystick and momo even though I have cleared their settings in BS-Options-Assign Axis. Do I need to modify a lua so that BS does not recognize those 'sticks' at all? I don't perfectly understand, but there's no need to mess with lua files, just run glovepie and assign the virtual joystick axis for the rudder in the game. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
MSBoxer Posted June 26, 2011 Author Posted June 26, 2011 I have set everything in glovepie, tested PPHoy 6 in GAme Controllers and everything tests perfectly. Then I go into BS-Options-Axis and cleared everything from my Cyborg joystick and Momo then assign it all to the PPJoy6. Then verify controls with Axis Tune...it works perfectly. In game the rudder pedals end up controlling Pitch or Joystick Y instead of the rudders and my steering wheel which I have set to control collective instead control Joystick X. In other words it is like BS is refusing to use the PPJoy but is going with the native axis's from the Momo. Can I trick BS into not 'seeing' the Momo and the Cyborg and only see the PPJoy?
MSBoxer Posted June 27, 2011 Author Posted June 27, 2011 GOT IT! FF was interfering. Plainsight you have helped me more than you could know. I have spent the last two weeks trying to get this to work and in a few hours you have SET ME UP! Using the steering wheel as the collective rocks even more than the pedals! Thank you!
MSBoxer Posted June 27, 2011 Author Posted June 27, 2011 OK, another cause. It seems it does not work with Game Avionics. I switched Game Avionics off and it works fine...I jsut need to remap buttons and learn how to fly it as a 100% sim.
PlainSight Posted June 27, 2011 Posted June 27, 2011 GOT IT! FF was interfering. Plainsight you have helped me more than you could know. I have spent the last two weeks trying to get this to work and in a few hours you have SET ME UP! Using the steering wheel as the collective rocks even more than the pedals! Thank you! I'm glad you got it working, but PPjoy is only meant for pedals (at least that's how i use it). For the collective, you just assign X-axis on the momo wheel, like any other controller axis. BS detects all controllers, it matters just what axis is assigned to what. If you only assign x-Axis on the wheel to some function, the pedals should not be working, because those axes are left blank. Game mode uses it's own set of controls, so switch from "real" to "game" in control settings and try setting those controls, if that makes any difference. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
MSBoxer Posted June 27, 2011 Author Posted June 27, 2011 I am using PPJoy for everything. I think the real cause of my issues is the fact that I am an idiot! I was assigning controls by using the "Assign Axis" button at the bottom of the page. When I took the time to check all commands...it seems that BS had also applied the controls as MOMO Left, MOMO Right and so on in a different section of the command list. I also think that the reason that it works for Sim Avionics and not Game Avionics is because I have only cleared out these extra listings in the Sim Controls list. When I get home I will try the Game Controls List as well to see if that works. Thanks again for all of your help.
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