Start-Up Procedures in REAL Mode---Questions?

[ErichVon]

Hi,

 

(I am a total noob here with this Black Shark sim.)

 

As to the metal spiral bound book:

 

Page 12-10 gets to the actual start-up procedures to prep the aircraft for Left engine start-up.

 

Pages 12-2 through 12-8 include, I am assuming, are the pre-flight setup.

 

Is this true as to a cold, ramp start-up on the tarmac to preset 10 pages of procedure before starting the engines?

 

LOL, or is their a shorter way to the end of the yellow-brick-road?

 

As with Warthog, 60 miles in transit to the target area, some stuff can be done in flight.

 

Are there pre-made lists of procedures available to prep the aircraft for flight?

 

Now off to read the Sticky's.

 

Thanks.

[Bushmanni]

You can skip all the equipment checks without worry. None of them are going to be broken. Basically you start the Shark by flipping most switches to "on"-position and start the engines, then maybe wait for the HUD to light up and then go flying. Here's a track showing a simple way to start the Shark. 210 seconds from mission start to take-off.

quick_startup.trk

[EtherealN]

In reality, yes, you will have a LOT of things to do before starting the engines.

 

In the sim, you can cut down a lot of them because your simulated bird is not subject to wear and tear from prior use.

 

A simulator-adjusted startup has ~45 steps, if my memory serves, which takes less time than you'd spend IRL before starting a Cessna. (If you value your life.)

[Luse]

You must be flying a new Cessna:joystick:

 

The 1969 172K I just earned my PPL in Doesn't take near as long as you would think.

[ZoomBoy27]

I use dilshan1994's Simplified Start-Up Guide.

Gets to the nitty-gritty :thumbup:

 

And I also made a Blog-Entry about the procedures

[EtherealN]

You must be flying a new Cessna:joystick:

 

The 1969 172K I just earned my PPL in Doesn't take near as long as you would think.

 

I don't fly Cessnas at all actually (well, I did once, but oh my they are boring, and that whole thing with steering an aircraft with a yoke... That's just a joke. :P ), but if you include other checks you'd want to do you'll be spending time prepping outside of the Cessna as well. The major part of the "real" Shark startup routine is security checks to verify that things work as intended.

 

The comparison is a bit dodgy though, since most of the things you'd check on the Cessna on your walk-arounds and checks are things that on the military jet will be checked off by grouns crew. My main point basically was that getting airborne takes time, and the couple minutes we spend starting the Shark ain't bad (long time since I actually clocked myself with the shark, but a minute or two should be enough in the sim).

 

It does get a wee bit long if keeping 100% to real checklists and proceedures though. No hot-starting both engines straight off of each other and just slamming everýthing on safe in the knowledge that everything will just work. Even checking engine gauges, temperatures and hydraulic pressures is basically pointless for a startup in the sim since wear and tear never will happen. Sort of like doing a rudder movement check in the A-10... It'll always work, so... (I still do it anyhow, just out of habit.)

[ErichVon]

I don't fly Cessnas at all actually (well, I did once, but oh my they are boring, and that whole thing with steering an aircraft with a yoke... That's just a joke. :P ), but if you include other checks you'd want to do you'll be spending time prepping outside of the Cessna as well. The major part of the "real" Shark startup routine is security checks to verify that things work as intended.

 

The comparison is a bit dodgy though, since most of the things you'd check on the Cessna on your walk-arounds and checks are things that on the military jet will be checked off by grouns crew. My main point basically was that getting airborne takes time, and the couple minutes we spend starting the Shark ain't bad (long time since I actually clocked myself with the shark, but a minute or two should be enough in the sim).

 

It does get a wee bit long if keeping 100% to real checklists and proceedures though. No hot-starting both engines straight off of each other and just slamming everýthing on safe in the knowledge that everything will just work. Even checking engine gauges, temperatures and hydraulic pressures is basically pointless for a startup in the sim since wear and tear never will happen. Sort of like doing a rudder movement check in the A-10... It'll always work, so... (I still do it anyhow, just out of habit.)

 

I never went to get lessons. Learning to drive my car and eventually passing the road test was enough for me. Driving a car is dangerous enough. I bet as to percentages flying is much safer. But a stupid mistake in the air usually is rather unforgiving.

 

Is on my wish list, just to go out with an instructor. 10 years ago I did cerebral brain hemorrhage, I doubt FAA would allow me to fly solo. I drive my car OK and my neurologists never made a stink about it after doing rehab.

 

Anyway, out to our local, little airport. I watched an old fart, at least age 70, step in to his little, aerobatic, red bi-plane; start up the propeller; and just like that off he went. Just a few feet off the ground he does quick snap rolls and stuff and was having a ball---stick and rudder.

 

When I was in Cuba to Gitmo about 1977 I saw a pilot show off his aerobatic stuff in his Sky Raider (I think), Viet 'Nam era carrier based aircraft with the long gear struts, delta wings, showing off to the Cubans no doubt. He left the runway and shot up like a dart doing rolls and really fast. I'm sure he did his checklists.

 

But the old guy in the red bi-plane, I don't think so.

Edited July 31, 2011 by ErichVon

[EtherealN]

I never went to get lessons. Learning to drive my car and eventually passing the road test was enough for me. Driving a car is dangerous enough. I bet as to percentages flying is much safer. But a stupid mistake in the air usually is rather unforgiving.

 

Aye, it's generally safer. The big thing in that though is that mechanical failures are extremely rare since we do much more thorough checks of the airplane before using it. Whenever someone asks me "ain't that dangerous" I ask them if they check their fuel lines, ignitors, breaks, servos and axles before driving to work every morning. Of course they don't. So in private aviation we have the ability to spot possible failures before even getting "on the road". The worst I've had happen was a canopy lock that came loose during flight (but there was a redundant lock still functional, but the bird got grounded anyhow).

 

Is on my wish list, just to go out with an instructor. 10 years ago I did cerebral brain hemorrhage, I doubt FAA would allow me to fly solo. I drive my car OK and my neurologists never made a stink about it after doing rehab.

 

Ouch, yeah, that might be an issue. :(

But definitely see if you can grab a flight.

 

Anyway, out to our local, little airport. I watched an old fart, at least age 70, step in to his little, aerobatic, red bi-plane; start up the propeller; and just like that off he went. Just a few feet off the ground he does quick snap rolls and stuff and was having a ball---stick and rudder.

 

We have a 90+ that's still flying, though he doesn't do aerobatics anymore. It's pretty cool to see him climb into the plane - he has a block on rope so he can climb in and then drag the block with him into the cockpit to be deployed once he lands. Improvised ladder FTW. :P

 

He does have to do a FULL medical including EKG's and the works every 6 months though to keep his license valid. :P

 

When I was in Cuba to Gitmo about 1977 I saw a pilot show off his aerobatic stuff in his Sky Raider (I think), Viet 'Nam era carrier based aircraft with the long gear struts, delta wings, showing off to the Cubans no doubt. He left the runway and shot up like a dart doing rolls and really fast. I'm sure he did his checklists.

 

But the old guy in the red bi-plane, I don't think so.

 

I suspect the guy in the biplane at last had done the necessary checks previously. Some of the really simple designs don't have much of a checklist to do once in the cockpit, but on a plane like that you REALLY want to check linkages, ignitors and fuel lines before flight. Unless you have a deathwish. (But of course, just like with cars there is some people that grow so accustomed to it just working that they stop doing the checks. Can easily end in tragedy.)

[Chrisakky]

Aren't there random failures that might pop up in start-up?

 

Or is that just in the air?

[Migow]

hi , could someone find the IRL procedure for ka 50 i want to know it:thumbup: thx^^

[Yskonyn]

(...) and that whole thing with steering an aircraft with a yoke... That's just a joke. :P )(...)

 

:( Now this drives a stake right through my heart, EtherealN! Never took you for the cruel type. ;)