Cry baby wife's.. Beta testing.

[EtherealN]

In oklahoma alot of woman are lazy and huge.. as there is nothing to do here so all the woman weigh 100lbs + more than the men..

 

Actually, for Oklahoma the numbers are as follows:

 

Obese Male population: 28.9%

Obese Female population: 28.5%

 

Source: Oklahoma State Department of Health, 2007 obesity report.

 

The 2005 report includes some interesting statements:

"A slightly higher percentage of males tend

to be obese compared to females, however the

difference is very small."

 

Essentially, the differences by ethnicity, income group and education are way bigger than the nonexistant differences by gender. (23.2% for college graduates, 33.9% for people with less than HS education.)

Edited August 12, 2011 by EtherealN

[TulsA-10]

Actually, for Oklahoma the numbers are as follows:

 

Obese Male population: 28.9%

Obese Female population: 28.5%

 

Source: Oklahoma State Department of Health, 2007 obesity report.

 

The 2005 report includes some interesting statements:

"A slightly higher percentage of males tend

to be obese compared to females, however the

difference is very small."

 

Essentially, the differences by ethnicity, income group and education are way bigger than the nonexistant differences by gender. (23.2% for college graduates, 33.9% for people with less than HS education.)

 

Even for 2007 their numbers are way off. All you have to do around here is look left and right and you will spot a big gap in their report. Granted there are people moving here from other states and God knows why but it does not take long before they to go BOOOOOM.. McDonalds anyone..

[EtherealN]

Even for 2007 their numbers are way off. All you have to do around here is look left and right and you will spot a big gap in their report. Granted there are people moving here from other states and God knows why but it does not take long before they to go BOOOOOM.. McDonalds anyone..

 

What you are experiencing is called "confirmation bias", and affects all of us. It's a major part of how the human brain works (and an extremely interesting one as well, imo), and also why anyone bothers with statistics in the first place. Essentially, if we have an opinion or an idea, and there is a visual or phenomenological manifestations of this that we can observe, our brain will record and remember the times the opinion is confirmed, but discard the times when it isn't.

 

In my country a common example of this is how a majority of criminals are immigrants - this is "obvious" to a lot of people. Just watch the news etcetera. But when you open the records of the criminal system, you find that there is no such correlation. (Well, there is a very weak correlation, but it is a secondary effect caused by immigrants being more likely to be poor - and poverty correlates very strongly with criminal behaviour. Correlation is not the same as causation etcetera.)

 

Another example might be the classic semi-psychic thingie with knowing who's calling before you pick up the phone. This has been checked and tested, and the subjects would at the end of the trial period be prepared to bet money that they proved it, but since each instance was recorded it could be shown that they did indeed not do very well at it at all - they remember the "hits" and forget the "misses".

 

(And as a side note, MacDonalds food is actually not that bad. It is not only possible, but actually easy, to eat a 100% McDonalds diet including hamburgers that is perfectly healthy. The "supersize me" movie actually chose the bad options on purpose. Avoid taking more than one helping of fries and shake per day and you're fine. :) )

 

A confirmation-bias example from my own "daily life" would be judging posters on the forum. If someone comes off to a "bad start", I've often found myself of the opinion that Person X just keeps making worthless crap posts - just watch! And then to doublecheck, I go through their posting history and find very very little objectionable - often about as much that is objectionable as what I find when I go through my own posts! :D

 

The human brain loves to joke with us, and all of us will find ourselves wrong on so many things whenever some naughty statistician comes along and actually compiles the numbers.

 

(Incidentally, this is also why Blinding is so important in science.)

Edited August 13, 2011 by EtherealN

[TulsA-10]

This right here is what i'm talking about, nothing to do in tulsa and big woman.. You have to check out this link. 3 days ago some dude climes up a radio tower and won't come down.. the link kills two birds here..

 

1. Nothing to do in oklahoma except clime stuff, party, get pregnant.

 

2. Home to some of the largest woman on the planet.

 

Did they try to find the largest A$$ in tulsa to be in the picture..lol

 

Check it out http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/man-tower-attracting-crowd-spectators/nDHfQ/

 

As far as McDonalds goes.. the chicks around here don't know when to say enough and keep pounding down double meat 1/4 pounders with double fries and a 2 liter of coke.. So that's gotta be 2000 calories right there..

Edited August 13, 2011 by TulsA-10

[RIPTIDE]

That's because our google Warrior here didn't include numbers for the "Overweight" category. If he did, then you would see +70% males overweight & obese. Actually the number of males overweight & obese pulls ahead of the female numbers.

[TulsA-10]

I'm talking about oklahoma here.. and especially tulsa where i live. There are some big dudes but nothing like the ladies.

[EtherealN]

You don't get my point. Your link proves nothing except that you don't get my point.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

 

I'll bet you this: if you were to run a logbook of how often when your wife complains (now this other bit here is important) and very time she does not complain, you'll find that your appreciation of this might have been a bit off, same way your count of obese men and women is also off.

 

"There are some big dudes but nothing like the ladies."

 

The thing you don't get is that you haven't counted them. But guess what - The Oklahoma State Department of Health actually has! Those types of records are available and relatively easy to assemble. You have an experience that is colored by the same issues all human experiences are - when I talk to my ISP about the issues I've been having it's not enough to say "it loses signal every 5 minutes!", I have to actually supply hard data on it. OSDH have that data. ;)

 

What I think your solution is is to just establish some data, or at least a routine, along with your wife, because both of you will have the limitation of only living your own lives and thus both of you will be affected by confirmation bias. She will feel that you're "always" playing "that game" and "never" giving her attention, while you feel you "never" get to play in spite of giving her "lots" of attention.

[TulsA-10]

Statistical data is not perfect and neither is the Heath department.. so with that being said my brain is not playing tricks on me.. like sixth sense where I only see fat chicks. I like a little thing called common sense and I can tell you the this area is flooded with big girls. We suffer from the classic syndrome.. Wife hates man having more fun than she's having. Woman can't stand their man having more fun than them.. Try it and see what happens.

 

I think it's time to let the boys come out and play and kick it back up to flying two nights a week again and put a solid core door in..lol all I need now is a mini fridge and a grill.

[EtherealN]

Statistical data is not perfect, therefore we can completely disregard it.

 

Do you ever accept medical care? Evaluation of treatment modalities is based on statistical data. But that data is not perfect, so instead we should... do what? Seek care at a shaman? Do "common sense" things like wear extra clothes to avoid catching a cold? (Which, btw, is completely ineffective - a cold is an aerosol-transmitted viral infection and wearing extra clothes is pretty much pointless.)

 

But yes, "common sense" is actually not common, nor does it ever make sense. EVERYONE's brains are playing tricks of them. That's just fact.

 

Just read the article, it's actualyl pretty good and well sourced, dealing with a subject that has been extensively studied by people who are WAY more competent than either of us two (which makes sense, since they actually make a living on it - same thing as the fact that my auto mechanic is better at cars than I am, and I'm better at computers than my auto mechanic is.). I'm getting the impression that your objective in this thread was 100% to just reinforce your pre-existing idea, which sort of makes it pointless, doesn't it? If you've already made up your mind and won't accept anything that goes contrary, why bother?

 

But okey, so statistical data is not "perfect" (correct), the OSDH is not "perfect" (correct). Is "Common sense" perfect? Is your brain perfect? It's not about a "sixth sense", it's about the fact that our brains are pattern-seeking machines - they have to be! If they weren't, we wouldn't have learned to speak as a baby, for example. We wouldn't be able to correlate anything at all, and we'd basically be vegetables. The problem is that from an evolutionary standpoint, there is less hurt in seeing patterns that aren't there than there is in not seeing patterns that actually are there. The former would mean we waste a little extra energy doing a rain dance in the hope of getting some rain, no big deal. The latter would easily cost us our lives. (Another example is the misidentification of agency - you know how we sort of feel that the computer is being evil on us when it malfunction. Same thing - assigning agency to too many things, no big deal. Not assigning agency to things that actually HAVE agency might however cause us not to react to that rustling bush, giving that naughty lion a chance to eat us.)

 

The human brain isn't perfect, actually it's very very far from perfect. There's tonnes of things that are just "huh" in the brain just like with the outright crap design of our eyes, larynx, intestines and so on and so forth. We are fallible beings, simple fact. (But of course, some parts of this fallibility is directly enjoyable - the love we can feel for a specific item, for example, like the favourite car, or as a child a favourite doll, is directly enjoyable but actually caused by that error in the agency-detection "function" in our brain.)

 

If you just consider the fallibilites of yourself and your own brain, you'll find it a lot easier to actually work out problems in human interaction, because you'll understand what's happening and can find a way to work through it. Hopefully one that doesn't cause a cold-war with your wife, which will pretty much only lead to the marriage breaking apart and the two of you ending up in a very expensive custody battle. :P

[TulsA-10]

Wow.. Wow.. Wow.. You gotta calm down there chuck..lol

 

I'm not perfect at all and yes I accept medical care as I am not a dr.. I didn't say brains don't play tricks all I said was my brain isn't foolin about on the fact the woman out weigh the men around here.. Pun intended..lol I appreciate all the advice from you all.

 

Break times over.. Back to flying!

Edited August 14, 2011 by TulsA-10

[RIPTIDE]

cool story :P

 

Srsly... look at the title. Now look at your post.

[EtherealN]

I didn't say brains don't play tricks all I said was my brain isn't foolin about on the fact the woman out weigh the men around here.

 

What I'm saying is: how do you know?

Have you verified this in some way? Do you weigh all women and men you meet? Do you run a logbook every day?

 

That's basically the point. You have an observation, but how do you know this observation is factual though? This basically ties into the experience of your relation to your wife and how she reacts to your gameplay - you have an observation that she rides you about it, sort of, but given how the human brain actually works my point is that it is possible that she really isn't - or rather, not at as great an extent as you perceive.

 

I had a similar experience with my ex, who felt I was spending way too much time on the computer and too little time socializing and generally being "the boyfriend" so to speak. Now of course, in my specific case this was a bit complicated by the fact that I was working as a freelance gaming journalist from our home, so it was a bit difficult to see when I was "playing" and when I was "working" - it all looked the same. But the basic point was when we sat down and had a chat about it, I managed to make the point that I really felt "ridden" by the "constant complaints" and made the point that just because I played computer games for a living didn't mean that all of that was "fun" (actually the opposite, when I was called upon to review those first Harry Potter games I was almost in tears :P ), so I needed to relax with something I felt was "fun" and of course, you don't become a game reviewer if you don't like games so the "fun" was more likely to be my fav game rather than a TV show or whatever.

 

So, basically, that was an aspect my ex hadn't considered, much like I suspect your wife hasn't fully considered the nature of your need to "get away" from people, so to speak. On the other hand, when we looked closer at it, it turned out that I wasn't really being ridden about it either - I was finding myself feeling that my ex was constatly nagging at me, but upon a closer examination it was actually more like a once in a week event. It felt to me, and I would have sworn in court, that it was every single day - but it wasn't!

 

Basic point being: our experience alone is not to be trusted. In medicine there's a saying that the worst thing you can ever hear is "in my experience" - you can be almost 100% certain that whatever follows is total crap. And that's even when it's experienced MD's and scientists talking!

 

Essentially, "question everything" is a good proverb, and we need to start with our own experience - it needs to be the first thing we question. (Same way we have to question our own memory, which research has shown is rediculously bad. Eye-witness testimony is only marginally better than a second-hand-account, even for events that happened only hours prior to the examination.)

[EtherealN]

Srsly... look at the title. Now look at your post.

 

Srsly...

I'm making a point, which has been spelled out quite clearly, because the content of the discussion has caused me to believe that this point has to be made.

 

Read my post and consider the point being made. ;)

If anyone just want a yes-man forum for the purpose of lamenting how terrible it is to have a wife, they should have selected a forum I'm not on. I like digging into things and finding out the actual facts - sort of like beta-testing the human experience. :)

[TulsA-10]

How do I know? Well lets see.. The men look like they are carrying around maybe one to one and a half people and the woman look like they carry three so... The big girl comment was in general so I never would of said it if I knew it was going to blow up into a debate.. Have you ever been to oklahoma? As far as you think I perceive my wife is a professional nagger.. You obviously doNt know her.. Her own family stays clear of her when she's around.. Perceive that.. That really sounded like it came straight off the view.

 

Somebody pass me a hammer please..

 

We don't have to agree and that's cool so no worries..

Edited August 14, 2011 by TulsA-10

[effte]

Basic point being: our experience alone is not to be trusted. In medicine there's a saying that the worst thing you can ever hear is "in my experience" - you can be almost 100% certain that whatever follows is total crap. And that's even when it's experienced MD's and scientists talking!

 

Anecdotal evidence is only to be trusted when discussing simulator flight models, where everything written by anyone who ever stepped near the aircraft concerned is Absolute Fact - if it will give the poster's fav steed an advantage... ;)

[EtherealN]

Anecdotal evidence is only to be trusted when discussing simulator flight models, where everything written by anyone who ever stepped near the aircraft concerned is Absolute Fact - if it will give the poster's fav steed an advantage... ;)

 

:D

 

+1 sir. :)

(Or, well, I would +1 if we hadn't disabled repping in this section. :P )

[TulsA-10]

:D

 

+1 sir. :)

(Or, well, I would +1 if we hadn't disabled repping in this section. :P )

 

Oh my God.. :doh:

[effte]

Oh my God.. :doh:

 

According to Wikipedia (which, of course, is as absolutely correct as anyone who ever flew a 75% scale copy of a Spitfire), he's a water nymph and not a god...

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethereal_being

:music_whistling:

Edited August 14, 2011 by effte
HTC onscreen keyboard

[TulsA-10]

According to Wikipedia (which, of course, is as absolutely correct as anyone who ever flew a 75% scale copy of a Spitfire), he's a water nymph and not a god...

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethereal_being

:music_whistling:

 

Ok how about.. Oh my... Fill in the blank with whatever you want.. Lol

[Cali]

Srsly... look at the title. Now look at your post.

 

Lol, they got a little OT, just a tad.

[RIPTIDE]

Lol, they got a little OT, just a tad.

Par for the course. :doh:

[Rusty_M]

I think I must be lucky. OK, she's not my wife yet, but we're working on that. She finds sims terribly boring, but it's fine for me to play them, as long as I don't completely ignore her the whole night. I balance things out. Some games she actually enjoys watching me play more than some of the things on TV, so then it's much more of a together time when I'm gaming.

 

In any case, even when I'm simming, I'm on the sofa next to her. She knows I just wouldn't be me without my various hobbies and interests, some of which I can enjoy with her, and some are a little more solitary. Now if only the pair of us could earn a little more, as we're far from wealthy.