Display Card for high FPS?

[Devrim]

Hi.

 

My Dell laptop has ATI HD5470 card. I play BS1 with 22~40 FPS. Unfortunately I play BS2 with 8-9 FPS. After some recuding details I could see 10~16 FPS . :( I have no any computer. That's why I decided to purchase a powerfull desktop computer. Processor, mainboard etc. everything is OK but display card.

 

Now; Could you please suggest me a display card that can manage BS2 with at least 30+ FPS? It doesn't matter nVidia or ATI for me. Or does it?

 

Thank You so much in advance.

Edited December 22, 2011 by Devrim

[EtherealN]

Processor is important as well, so just in case - which processor are you looking at?

 

For graphics card, I'd say nVidia GTX560Ti or better. The Ti is what I use and it works perfectly for BS2 and A-10C with everything pretty much maxed and hacked high.lua for extra detail at long distances. If you want to have some extra margins, got either for a 2GB version of the 560Ti, or a 570. (Or even 580 if you have the money on hand.)

 

There is no less than three main versions of the 560 - the 560 without the "Ti" is weaker and cheaper, but should also be quite acceptable. Personally I don't feel it's perfect value, but that is of course up to your own budget. The 560Ti is the "standard" for 560's, very good value. There is also a version called the "GTX 560Ti 448", which uses the same silicon as the 580, but with some parts of the silicon disable, and is the strongest of the 560's.

 

For Radeons, I feel someone else might be better at offering advice, but in general something like a 6850 or better should do good.

[Kuky]

I personally think anyone going for new video card an new system should be getting 2GB cards or more (if you have money). If you don't run high resolution and multi-monitors something like HD6970 is pretty good so you can most high graphics, I guess HD6950 could get away with single 22" monitor or so. If it means anything to you I am currently with 1GB HD5870 and it is still sufficient to run DCS titles with but I want more now (for example turning on HDR starts giving me unsatisfactory framerate), so I am looking at very possibly getting 3GB HD7970

[manfrez01]

I can recommend a 1GB GTX 460 board, excellent performance and price, is the card I use with my two sim's ARMA2 and FC2 with no complaints.

I got 30 to 45 FPS in FC2.

if money no problem, I would do as recommended by colleagues:music_whistling:

[EtherealN]

Manfrez01, FC2 is considerably less graphically demanding than BS2 and A-10C though. A 460 would run into trouble if you want to run those on high settings.

[manfrez01]

@EtherealN

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In my case I do not need an unnecessary display of power.

[EtherealN]

You might want to re-read my post. ;)

Your video is BS1. Not BS2. Big difference.

 

I strongly doubt you were uploading videos of BS2 before it was released... ;)

[manfrez01]

Devrim...just in case:thumbup:

 

 

I just make a opinion and leave a example of the power can provide a 460 gtx, see the rig of the guy at youtube examples.

 

Good Luck

 

manfrez out.

[Devrim]

EtherealN and all friends; Thank you so much for your attention and for your help.

 

Last two days, I prefer to go with nVidia. And I pick up nVidia GTX550Ti DDR5 192-bit 1GB. I'm glad that it's very close choice to GTX560, right? I'll examine 560 models as your said EtherealN. Thank you.

 

By the way, the system's other specs are;

 

Processor; Intel i5 2500 3.3GHz 6Mb QuadCore 1155p 850Mhz.

With 8GB or 12GB DDR3 160Mhz RAM., on Intel DZ68DB DDR3 Z68 motherboard.

 

Actually my target is just play BS2 on my system. So, I think this configuration must be enough, right?

 

And this thread is about Grapchic Cards. But I'd like to hear your reviews about other components. :) Thanks.

[Devrim]

Okey Shadowze. I haven't purchased the system yet. It will be done tomorrow (Saturday).

 

I'll check 2500K. Thank you so much. :)

[Rhinox]

...And I pick up nVidia GTX550Ti DDR5 192-bit 1GB. I'm glad that it's very close choice to GTX560, right?

Nope. GTX550Ti is not "very close" to GTX560:

 

GTX550: chip GF116, 192bit memory-interface, 192 stream units, 32 texture units

GTX560: chip GF114, 256bit memory-interface, 384 stream units, 64 texture units

 

GTX560 is about 1.6-2x faster than GTX550 and price-tag corresponds with it. If you can, go for GTX560. BS2/A10C is really gpu-hungry...

[EtherealN]

Agreed with Rhinox, if the money is there for you to do it, get a GTX560 instead of GTX550Ti. If it isn't, then a 550Ti should be good enough to play, but I wouldn't expect you to run it fast with everything maxed - something that a 560Ti is capable of doing (sans water-High in the settings, ofc). All comes down to money though I suppose - if money is a problem, I'd definitely suggest getting a good foundation machine with a slightly weaker graphiucs card (like a 550Ti), since graphics cards are pretty easy to switch out and you could get something new sometime next year.

 

Also agreed with Shadowze regarding 2500K - even if you aren't planning to overclock right away, the K-version costs very little extra (I think it's like 10 dollars extra or something like that, last time I checked), and if you pair that with a Z68 or P67 motherboard (Z68 being the recommended one), you'll have the option of overclocking - that way, if you need to upgrade sometime a couple years down the line, but don't want to spend money again, you can overclock the processor as a stop-gap. :)

[Devrim]

Oh, I'm sorry, I missed "Ti" word about GTX560. I mean, I compared GTX550Ti and GTX560Ti. But now I think they are not "very" close, either.

 

Actually, in my country, 560Ti's price is $100+ more expensive than 550Ti. According to currency, it's price really goes high for me. But I can force my budget.. I think... (If you won't see any messages from me anymore, that means I'm killed by my wife. Please call police!)

 

Moreover, I've just seen GTX560 Ti DirectCU II TOP model. May be I'll go for it...

 

Thank you friends. Thanks for your help and suggestions about CPU and motherboard. I noted them and I'll remember this infos tomorrow.

I'll report about the result.

Edited December 23, 2011 by Devrim

[EtherealN]

DirectCUII TOP model is very very nice. I have the DirectCUII non-TOP model, and it works superb (the DirectCUII cooler really is awesome), but my brother uses the DirectCUII TOP card with his rediculously small mini-ITX machine (the graphics card is the biggest component of the machine :D ), and it still runs fairly cool. Very nice equipment and as long as you have the money, it's definitely worth it. The only drawback I can think of is that it's "only" 1GB vRAM, which is good enough in most cases but might become a bottleneck later. (Most games are currently able to use all of that, DCS can use more if you force it, but 1GB still works quite fine.)

[cichlidfan]

I agree with EtherealN. I wish it had more ram but that is only a minor issue within a limited group of games right now (they run great I just can't max them out). Aside from that it is an excellent card that handles everything I need it to with more than just acceptable performance.

 

Note: As far as the memory. I am also running 2560x1440 on my main monitor with a second running 1920x1080 off of that card.

[EtherealN]

Aye, good point - I am running a 1920x1080 as main monitor, as well as a 1680x1050 "forum monitor" ( :P ) off the same card. With that considered I'm very impressed by the performance I get from my 560Ti.

[cichlidfan]

What I would like is a 3GB version of this:

 

http://www.amazon.com/DCII-Overclocked-ENGTX580-2DIS-1536MD5/dp/B004MN3HBK/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1324700878&sr=1-1

[Ramstein]

I can recommend a 1GB GTX 460 board, excellent performance and price, is the card I use with my two sim's ARMA2 and FC2 with no complaints.

I got 30 to 45 FPS in FC2.

if money no problem, I would do as recommended by colleagues:music_whistling:

 

 

I am pretty happy with my PNY GTX460 factory overclocked Nvidia 1gb 256 bit video card...(retail version):joystick: Lifetime warranty. It was only $150.00 after $30.00 rebate (from Tiger Direct) but (also like Newegg.com) a few months ago.. and must be cheaper now. Notice it is not the hacked cheap version, it's the full 1gb ddr5 with 256 bit version. it never heats up. It stays pretty cool..

 

It works with my core2duo (2.93ghz) 3ghz cpu.. nicely, win7, and 4gb ddr2 ram memory on the MSI P7N motherboard, with 600 watt psu. I use hdmi cable to my 46" LCD HDTV.

Also use Saitek Hotas.

 

I fly Black Shark, FC 2.0, IL-2 COD, IL-2 1946 with many mod addons.. and fly A-10C.

 

I use ATI Radeon many years, and jumped to Nvidia, and love it much more with combat flight sims,, also play Stalker (whenever new versions come out..).

[Devrim]

All OK!

 

Hi again... Operation has been completed finally.

 

First of all, know that there was a good config in my mind. But obviously, my calculations at home did not match with ones in computer store. So, I improvised and gathered this configuration.

• Chassis: CoolerMaster RC-692-KKA3 650 Watt ATX.
  
• Motherboard: Gigabyte Intel Z68X-UD4-B3 1155 DDR3 2133Mhz SATA3
  
• Processor: Intel Core i7 2600 1155 3.4GHz 8Mb 32nm
  
• Memory: Corsair Vengeance 2x4GB 1600MHz CL9 Dual Kit
  
• Graphics Card: Asus nVidia GTX560 DirectCU II TOP GDDR5 1GB DX11
  

I really wanted i7 2600K and GTX2600Ti. But I couldn't affort. I've already overspended.

 

In compu-store, my intention was to buy GTX560Ti TOP. But it was too expensive for me. Then I saw GTX560 TOP (without "Ti"). It's price was more acceptable. By the way for GTX560 TOP, "925 MHz (Overclocked)" says on box. But GTX560Ti TOP is 900 MHz. I know, 25Mhz is not big deal. But I got 560 TOP.

 

According to this config, I noted the FPS values (Black Shark 2).

 

In all situations, cockpit shadow: ON. Screen resolution: 1680x1050

1. All settings: MEDIUM. HDR: Norm, AA: 4x, Tree Shadow: OFF > Cockpit: 60~90 FPS, Outerview: 120+ FPS
   
2. All settings: HIGH. HDR: Warm, Res: 1024 evryfrm, AA: 8x. > Cockpit: 30-50 FPS, outerview: 60 FPS
   
3. All settings: HGH. AA: 16Q, Tree Shadow: ON, Tree Distance: Max. > Cockpit: 30-50 FPS, outerview: 60 FPS.
   

 

While this test, CPU temp was 49~52°C

 

I must say that, in cockpit when I zoom out (and see trees), FPS goes down (not under 30). If I zoom in to panels (and don't see trees) FPS remarkably goes higher than ones I wrote above.

 

May be my test technique was wrong. But in each flight session, all camera movements were very smooth and flawless.

 

Here some photos:

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you.

[EtherealN]

Looks like a nice rig indeed. :)

 

And yeah, the 560 (no "Ti") is clocked higher than the Ti. The difference between them basically is that the non-Ti version has less of the logic units active, meaning it does less calculations per clock cycle. This is then balanced (at least partially) by running the card at a higher clock speed. Pretty good kit anyhow. :)

[Devrim]

Thank you. And I understand what clock speed trick. :)

 

By the way I want to ask a question. You're using Corsair Vengeance (@1600MHz) too. I have a problem about their frequency. It seems my memory cards are running at 1333MHz. You know my system. What's wrong with mem cards? Why are they at 1333MHz?

 

Should I increase voltage of them from BIOS?

 

EDIT: Ok, sorry. Yes, I changed an option to 16.0X about Memory Frequency in BIOS. Now they're at 1600 MHz. I think I did right thing... ?..

Edited December 27, 2011 by Devrim

[EtherealN]

This is basically just an artefact of the memory controller inside the Sandies - the controller will default memory to the 1333MHz JEDEC profile and you'll have to change the multiplier to get them to run at their rated speed. No voltage increase should be required to achieve 1600MHz and generally I wouldn't recommend overvolting memory sticks - they're pretty volatile and can easily start amassing errors with system instability as a result, and also the memory controller on the Sandy, being on the CPU itself, is sensitive to overvolting as well (though it should have some headroom to play with if you really have to, but since memory speed has a relatively minor impact on performance in most applications I wouldn't worry about it - as long as you get your 1600MHz you'll be fine. :) )

[Devrim]

Thanks Nate.

 

I've got two blue screen errors in different time. Although after every crash BIOS resets defaults and sets mem freqs to 1333Mhz, I don't think it's because of mem frequency.

 

After those screens, I haven't got any blue screens since 2 weeks. May be formatting HD and re-installing all system was good solution for this. I don't know...

[EtherealN]

Oh yeah, I love the DirectCUII design - it actually hurt when I installed mine since something that pretty shouldn't get hidden inside a computer chassis. :P

[EtherealN]

DirectCU II = DirectCopper, I tihnk. (The U I dunno why it's there, probably just sounds good.) The copper heatpipes interface directly to the GPU instead of interfacing with a classical block that is then in turn interfacing with the GPU. The "II" is either because it's a successor to their previous DirectCU design for their 4xx and 5xxx cards, or because it has two fans instead of just one. (Sort of how MSI's Twin Frozr is named thusly because it also has two fans.)