Request for devs to allow us/me to sit at highest seat height....

[wolfstriked]

Ok,I am the bringer of pain and I just want ED to know that I love them in that adoring customer way.They bring us what the world said went out of fashion a long time ago.What I would like to know is if its possible to raise the seat to its highest setting and get the HUD centered.This issue I bring up reminds me of the FW190 days where the viewpoint was too low and the HUD made deflection shooting way harder than it seemed it should be.I just wanna say that I had no part of that long debate and was just a spectator and that if ED says that its an engine issue as reason they can't then I will leave it alone.

 

The reason is I just was playing around and put the seat at its lowest setting and its like a wall of gauges and switches and amplified the feeling that I got when I first saw DCS:A10c.But when I did the opposite I was suddenly sitting high in a cockpit....or thats how I felt;).Everything seemed more real.Then I checked in outside view and the eyes of pilot are actually above the HUD frame so it seems that when seated at the highest seat height setting the view in cockpit is more true to life.

 

Taxiing feels more real,landings feel alot more real especially when the nose drops,takeoffs and even just looking out the sides or checking ones six get an immersion boost.Also seeing down the sides of the HUD seems more realistic.This also makes the front panel less obtrusive and I find that I can zoom in a bit more and that also adds to immersion making things look more real.

 

The problems arise wit the HUD.Its now too high and its unusable.So is this an engine limitation?I ask this because the main gun now impacts way higher the the actual HUD frame and there might be an issue where the bullets path looks wrong when shooting at ground like in IL2 days or so Oleg said.:cry:

 

Anyone wanna check it out and post if I am crazy or not?:thumbup::thumbup:

[Markdude]

I agree. I've had the opportunity to sit in a real A-10C before and although it was brief, I felt like my viewpoint was much higher than what's useable in DCS. When I raise the seat that far in the game, I can barely see any of the HUD symbology.

[mvsgas]

In all aircraft seat adjustment is depending on the pilot so he can look straight at the HUD, so DCS, AFAIK, does the best to simulate this by placing you at this height. Every pilot, no matter the height, would center on the HUD, not the cockpit frame. So, if you sat on the cockpit, you would not be able to tell proper height unless the HUD "symbology" was on.

[Markdude]

Hmm, that makes sense. The pilot flying the jet before I sat in it must have been really short. I'm just a little over 5'7" and I felt like I was sitting way above the in-game level.

[PeterP]

and get the HUD centered.

try this:

http://files.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/38574/

and in the description you will find a explanation how to move your viewpoint in every direction.

So you can start with a higher default viewpoint - and use "seat-down".

Edited January 5, 2012 by PeterP

[wolfstriked]

Peter I am using your mod already and it improves what I am looking for but as you said any higher and the HUD is unusable.I just want it as high as it can go if thats possible to do.Is there a way to mod the actual HUD placement so its not centered?

[wolfstriked]

In all aircraft seat adjustment is depending on the pilot so he can look straight at the HUD, so DCS, AFAIK, does the best to simulate this by placing you at this height. Every pilot, no matter the height, would center on the HUD, not the cockpit frame. So, if you sat on the cockpit, you would not be able to tell proper height unless the HUD "symbology" was on.

 

The pilot in outside view is sitting with his eye level with top of HUD frame.What I think is wrong is that most games make the focal point the center of the screen.Its the same with an FPS.I have asked for devs in past to lower the crosshair so that when you lay prone with weapon you feel prone and not with weapon high off thr ground....if that makes sense.With flight sims the hud is the focal point so devs will place that dead center on screen and you run into this issue of an offset cockpit view from reality.

Edited January 5, 2012 by wolfstriked

[EtherealN]

The pilot in outside view is sitting with his eye level with top of HUD frame.

 

Which isn't really relevant. Mvsgas told you the way it's done in reality. ;)

[PeterP]

Is there a way to mod the actual HUD placement so its not centered?

 

yes - there is...

You will have to tweak some files - but the HUD will get pretty useless after you have done this. (so I won't tell where the file is..;) - messing around with this will only cause trouble)

No mark/steer-point and the gun piper will fit any more.

 

The HUD is calibrated to the whole aircraft/avionics...

 

That's why there is a switch to set up your seat height - to get your eyes into the line of the HUD projection.

And it is exactly done this way in reality.

Edited January 5, 2012 by PeterP

[Lobo_63]

I agree. I've had the opportunity to sit in a real A-10C before and although it was brief, I felt like my viewpoint was much higher than what's useable in DCS. When I raise the seat that far in the game, I can barely see any of the HUD symbology.

 

The dash-1 manual has the pilot on shutdown raise the seat to the full up position. I wonder if that is what you experienced? Not the normal seat height but the fully raised shutdown position.

[mvsgas]

The pilot in outside view is sitting with his eye level with top of HUD frame.What I think is wrong is that most games make the focal point the center of the screen.Its the same with an FPS.I have asked for devs in past to lower the crosshair so that when you lay prone with weapon you feel prone and not with weapon high off thr ground....if that makes sense.With flight sims the hud is the focal point so devs will place that dead center on screen and you run into this issue of an offset cockpit view from reality.

 

Sorry, I do not have a lot of education and I’m not that smart, so bare with me here, it may take me a little bit to properly convey what I’m trying to ask or say.

1. So the issue is that the outside view does not match the inside view?

2 If that is not the issue, is it that the HUD seems to be placed incorrectly?

If the case is your perception of the HUD placement within the cockpit;

How big is your monitor?

Also, the RL HUD should be about 7 inches tall (please correct me if I’m wrong Paul) when measuring from the top of the Up Front Controller panel to the top of the glass, if you zoom into the HUD on the sim for the HUD to be this big on your monitor and then stand three to four feet away from your monitor with the HUD centered, how does that look? Can you only see your monitor or do you also see your desk, you key board, etc.

[wolfstriked]

Thanks Mvsgas,I understand your questions perfectly and they ask great questions to which I have found a cure.I played around with the default SnapViewsDefault.lua and have settled on an IMO sweet feeling setup with one slight annoyance.I changed the FOV then changed some other settings so I can see slightly down the front dash to give a bit of the feeling of sitting very high gives.Now the annoyance is that the FPM and horizon line are right at the tippy top of the hud on takeoff but moves down slightly when airborne.The guns reticule is slightly higher in hud but perfectly useable though.

 

Then another thing that made me feel more in-cockpit is the height of my monitor.Before I had my monitor bottom edge sitting 2inches off my desk and now that I raised it it is about 12inches off desktop.My eyes are now level with the hud top edge and feels better for me.

[PeterP]

Would be nice if you would post some screen-shots explaining your difficulties... - this would be more helpful than thousand words next time -!

:)

[wolfstriked]

Would be nice if you would post some screen-shots explaining your difficulties... - this would be more helpful than thousand words next time -!

:)

 

My difficulties were the reason you made your tweaked cockpits.Just felt off in the cockpit and I think its a personal thing.Also I now have my LCD monitor sitting a foot off my desk and this is very comfortable way to view instead of my eyes being above the top edge of the actual screen as was before.Now my eye level is centered on the LCD.:D

 

Here is my tweaks if you like to check it out....of course back up your SnapViewsDefault.lua.Its basically the default cockpit view with the zoom out view clicked a nice amount and the seat raised till the FPM is at upper edge when on ground.I did remove the tilt in cockpit so it looks like you see slightly more of the dash.

 

Snap[11][13] = {} -- Default cockpit view

Snap[11][13]["y_trans"] = -0.0275

Snap[11][13]["x_trans"] = 0.36

Snap[11][13]["hAngle"] = 0

Snap[11][13]["viewAngle"] = 92.0

Snap[11][13]["vAngle"] = -0

Snap[11][13]["rollAngle"] = 0

Snap[11][13]["z_trans"] = 0