Manual CCIP CBU-97 Dive Angle

[Invisibull]

Hi all - I've seen this topic discussed in other places, but my problem is slightly different i believe. After a number of months away from this sim, I re-installed last week and have just started getting back up to speed with everything.

 

My problem is that up until yesterday, I could dive at perhaps 30 degrees and the CCIP reticle would pop out from under the nose of the plane, and I'd more often than get some decent kills w/cbu-97's as a result. Yesterday this all changed for some reason. Now, it seems i need to be damned near pointing toward the ground before i see the reticle. I suspect that I've inadvertently changed some setting or another, either in the sim or perhaps in TrackIr. Any ideas?

[Invisibull]

By way of an update, I happened to do a flight over by Tbilisi and the reticle once again showed up at about 30 degrees into my dive as i'd come to expect. I still, however, get no luck in other areas of the map. Is it an elevation issue? I ask this because the radar to baro altitude disparity is substantial around Tbilisi as compared with the flatter areas I prefer to build missions in.

[Turk10mm]

I have the same problem. If I'm not at 50+ degrees nose down I don't ever get a solid pipper.

[159th_Viper]

I suspect that I've inadvertently changed some setting or another, either in the sim or perhaps in TrackIr.

 

 

You have not. Previous modelling was not correct - the behaviour at present it. In order to deliver 97/105's via CCIP you need to dive steeper from higher, reasons as follows quoted from an earlier thread and related by BlueRidgeDx:

 

The submunitions are retarded, and fall vertically using parachutes. This means there will be a very high sight depression (the angular measurement between the Zero Sight Light (ZSL) and the CCIP pipper). The lower, slower, and more shallow you are, the higher the depression.

[Turk10mm]

It sure seems difficult to put them on target this way.

[Eddie]

Use CCIP CR 3/9 or 5Mil.

[Invisibull]

Thanks for your responses, but, you're not explaining why it works at 30 deg. dive in one place, and over 50 deg in another.

 

 

Eddie, 3/9 displays the same behavior for me.

 

 

Also, CBU -87's seem to need less of an angle (when dropped on the exact same terrain as the 97's). I could accept that this is properly modeled, but not that i need to dive in excess of 50 degrees to deploy 97's in one place, but 30 degrees in another.

 

It's to the point, on occasion, that I need to be diving straight down 90deg before i can even glimpse the reticle. And I've tested this from a starting altitude of 20k.

 

If I'm not understanding something, please accept my apologies in advance.

[159th_Viper]

.....or 5Mil.

 

You cannot - 97's not wired for 5Mil.

[159th_Viper]

....Also, CBU -87's seem to need less of an angle (when dropped on the exact same terrain as the 97's). I could accept that this is properly modeled, but not that i need to dive in excess of 50 degrees to deploy 97's in one place, but 30 degrees in another.

 

It's to the point, on occasion, that I need to be diving straight down 90deg before i can even glimpse the reticle. And I've tested this from a starting altitude of 20k....

 

Be careful not to compare 87's with 97's - 87 modelling irrelevant in any discussion pertaining to 97's.

 

As for the behaviour of your 97's, further explanations in the absence of tracks is virtually impossible. I/We are left to assume everything, including your attitude at delivery, speed, altitude etc etc, making any form of troubleshooting/advice a crapshoot at best.

 

We need to see tracks :)

[Eddie]

You cannot - 97's not wired for 5Mil.

 

With 5mil selected you'll get a 3/9 CR with a 97/105 profile selected. Best practice is always to select a CR option, it's there when required and will have no effect if the pipper tracks I to the HUD FOV during delivery.

 

And wiring has nothing to do with it. ;)

[159th_Viper]

 

And wiring has nothing to do with it. ;)

 

Relax - was a figure of speech, akin to 'I'm not wired for..........' :D

 

Point stands - 5Mil is a non-starter, lest confusion sets in.

Edited February 14, 2012 by 159th_Viper
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