Simo Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Hi, Just picked up BS again after a few years off without a PC capable of running it. It's good to be back! My question is concerning the central position trimming method - my current setup is a Cyborg FLY 5 stick (with central spring) and a set of pedals. What I would like to achieve, is to use the central trimmer method on the stick, while using the "force feedback" method for the pedals, so I dont have to quickly return them to centre. Is this possible in BS2? I found this old thread on the subject for BS1 I believe, but it seems no reliable solution was found: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=38688&highlight=rudder+return+centre
PeterP Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) >>> How to unchain the rudder from trim Edit: Just in case you want to refresh some knowledge... So here also my "standard reply for newbies" for you ;) : This is a Must Have Download for your first steps: KA-50 Black Shark 2 interactive Training missions Read also besides the manual this: DCS: Black Shark... Technical, Simplified -Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics -Trimming the Ka-50 Black Shark <<<!!!! very important to understand this fully! -Part 1 - Autopilot <<<this too! -Part 2 - Autopilot And when you still have time , read this too: A Stick and Rudder Man's Guide to DCS: Black Shark ... and I wish you always a fingertip air between the upper and lower rotor-dish! Welcome back! :) Edited June 18, 2012 by PeterP 1
Simo Posted June 18, 2012 Author Posted June 18, 2012 Cheers Peter! Very surprised this option isn't implemented directly in the sim, I'll try out your macro though. Thanks also for the extra reading material, hopefully I can get through it all (having bought BS2, A10C, IL2:Clod and RoF this weekend I already have a fair bit of reading to do!)! 1
PeterP Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) Cheers Peter! Very surprised this option isn't implemented directly in the sim, Long story short : I asked several times for it.... - but didn't get a official answer. - I can live with this workaround until I will build this: Hello again, I want to show you a Idea that I'm caring with me since the last three years. I finally took the time to bring it on "paper". I think that this would be a robust workaround for FFB rudders -This is not exactly FFB , these are Force Trim Rudders. Please ignore the fact that there aren't Saitek rudders such wide like these - they only have the purpose to help me to illustrate the idea better. Also only concentrate on the principle , as there are probably better ways to arrange the mechanic that is capable to do the same thing. It is just my humble try to picture this idea of Force-Trim Rudders. A: servo-motor that pulls away worm-wheel C from the rudder axis gear, over some linkage and springs that will move back the worm-wheel when no force is applied. So the ruder is free moving and you can set a new spring-loaded center-position. Must be connected to the trim button of the KA-50 B: servo-motor that turns worm-wheel C , so Trim the position of the rudders gradually - must be connected to the buttons you use as rudder-trim for a fixed wing aircraft. D: this part is free moving and spring loaded - so you are able to move the rudders freely - while you still can trim the position. Moving Parts when Servo A is active: Moving Parts when Servo B is active: I still hoping /dreaming to build something similar like this in near future. Normally you should find all necessary parts in a good RC-Model Shop, and also the electronics to program diffrent functions - and even hook it up to the computer - so you can control it via some scripting in sync to the simulation you are running. So I can finally simulate the rudder movement of a Fore-Trim helicopter and also of a fixed-wing plane. I hope this gives you some inspiration - and we now can start from this point to work something out and make this concept even better. And be assured that this isn't only wishful thinking . - I will build this - just need time. I have done similar before: Two MS FFB2 with Cougar Grip To get working force-trim rudders is only the next higher level. Edited June 18, 2012 by PeterP
Simo Posted June 20, 2012 Author Posted June 20, 2012 Those FFB rudder plans look pretty cool! Looking forward to some pictures when you get around to building it.
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