A feel like an idiot...

[Revelation]

Just opened Csar up and just concentrated on engaging the 3 BTR 60's with Mav's leaving the village with not attempting to complete the mission to to just demonstrate what is happening.

 

I made 3 passes, I would have kept trying but when I tried to get a track to post it crashed just after 2 passes and lost everything so I did not want to risk loosing everything again on my second attempt ,

 

On the first, did my usual procedures that normally work, but TGP slaves to selected steerpoint when I attempted to slave Mav to TGP which was tracking the TGT.

 

Second pass, altered the procedure by making the TGP the SOI on the Left MFDU with MAV on the right MFDU as an experiment which I doubted would work but that had the same results.

 

The third pass was the same as the first, once again TGP slaving to steerpoint so I tried to aquire the tgt with the MAV manually but time was running out to locate the tgt before I had to break off and end the mission.

 

I'd keep trying to get it right, but at bedtime I usually find I end up with a too active mind to sleep if I have been on any simulations

 

After you had your TGP on the target you want. You need to set your SPI - press TMS UP long. Short press sets area and point mode, long designates the SPI.

 

You will then be able to point all other sensors at your target. I go by key-press on my HOTAS, but I believe it was china-hat forward.

[Pyroflash]

Actually, if you want a little advice on your general flying as well, you are trying to engage well within the engagement envelope of the Mavericks. You should be launching at stand-off ranges of about 6.5-8 nm. At the ranges you are getting at, you risk all sorts of bad stuff. Also, while it is generally considered preferable to launch the Mavericks with the sensors aligned to the bore e.g. straight in, it is acceptable to launch them a little off boresight. This type of engagement can come in handy when you consider the area to be unsafe at low levels, and generally does not trade all that much PK for the ability to stay up high without diving in to get shot at by AAA. However you need to make sure that the floating crosshairs are at least inside the edges of the seeker limits before you fire otherwise the missile will simply go ballistic.

[zacklaws]

Got it, what you are doing is in fact, the wrong procedure for slewing sensors to your current SPI. What you are doing is pressing China Hat Aft Long, which resets the TGP to follow your current SPI, or if it is your current SPI, it resets it to your steerpoint.

 

What you need to be doing is holding down China Hat Forward Long "V" in order to slave all sensors to SPI. If the TGP is not your SPI, you need to make sure that happens with they key command "LCTRL + Up arrow" (hold it down for several seconds).

 

I hope that brought to light the issue at hand.

 

Cheers,

Pyro

 

Thanks for the help, but the procedure you mention above in the second paragraph is exactly what I'm doing, and I do know that that procedure does work as I have practised it enough. As for pressing China hat aft long, I do not touch it ( key command C long). But I do use China hat fwd short to reset everything. Its becoming a mystery now, but I'm going to leave it till tommorow, else I'll be pondering on it all night instead of sleeping as to why it will not work in this mission but does in others.

[RagnarDa]

The concept of the SPI i think is that thing in the A-10C that you really have to understand to not tear your hair off, and most of us has been there wondering what the hell is going on. In the Ka-50 its the Trim/Autopilot i guess...

[Pyroflash]

Thanks for the help, but the procedure you mention above in the second paragraph is exactly what I'm doing, and I do know that that procedure does work as I have practised it enough. As for pressing China hat aft long, I do not touch it ( key command C long). But I do use China hat fwd short to reset everything. Its becoming a mystery now, but I'm going to leave it till tommorow, else I'll be pondering on it all night instead of sleeping as to why it will not work in this mission but does in others.

 

No, it isn't. Bring the track to about where the TGP says 5.5 nmi from the first engagement. At this point (.5 miles before the behavior you describe occurs), the TGP is NOT the SPI. What you did was:

 

1. Slew TGP to SPI (steerpoint OMEGA).

 

2. Find targets and attempt to track a BTR-90 using point track mode.

 

3. Once target is being tracked, you open up your MAV screen and begin a dive towards the target.

 

4. At 5.0 NMi away from the target, you press China Hat Forward Long.

 

5. Pressing the above key combination slews all of your sensors to the selected steerpoint.

 

This is happening precisely because you have not set your TGP as SPI. Again, this needs to be done, and is accomplished by holding down the key combination of "LCTRL + UP ARROW". This needs to be held down, and you will know when your TGP is SPI, because on your TAD, the terrace bracket that indicates current SPI will jump to the diamond which represents your TGP.

 

BTW China Hat Forward Short "V" is used mainly to zoom in and out on the TGP, or switch between expanded modes on the TAD. China Hat Aft Short "C" however, cages the selected sensor (e.g. that sensor will be "pinned" to its longitudinal axis or more generally where the aircraft is pointing).

Edited September 24, 2012 by Pyroflash

[zacklaws]

Actually, if you want a little advice on your general flying as well, you are trying to engage well within the engagement envelope of the Mavericks. You should be launching at stand-off ranges of about 6.5-8 nm.

 

Point taken, but I was actually rushing to try and get a quick track to post about the problem and not too concerned about tactics or the mission etc, normally I keep my distance, locate the target with the TGP from as far away as possilbe, usually in an orbit, turn into the TGT, slave the MAV to TGP and launch at the first opportunity.

 

Should have been in bed two hours ago now, and I'm still up

[Pyroflash]

Point taken, but I was actually rushing to try and get a quick track to post about the problem and not too concerned about tactics or the mission etc, normally I keep my distance, locate the target with the TGP from as far away as possilbe, usually in an orbit, turn into the TGT, slave the MAV to TGP and launch at the first opportunity.

 

Should have been in bed two hours ago now, and I'm still up

 

 

RGR, but aren't the best things really the ones worth staying up for?

[zacklaws]

Yes it gets addictive and keeps the grey matter moving, I wished you had not posted your previous message tonight as I'm now pondering, bed or boot up DCS.

 

I think the whole problem is hinging on, "LCTRL + UP ARROW lONG" and if it is why is it not working in CSAR but it does normally everywhere else. Tommorow I shall try and find out why.

[Pyroflash]

Make sure it is LEFT control, and not right that you are pressing. It won't work if you try and use right control to do it.

 

Aside from that, I just flew your track and assigned the SPI to my TGP perfectly fine using nothing but the keyboard, so it does work, and the mission does not seem to be bugged.

 

Again, when you fly it tomorrow, keep the TAD open and wait for the SPI terrace to jump to the TGP diamond before you let go of LCTRL or UPARROW. If the terrace does not pin to the TGP diamond, it would indicate that the TGP is NOT yet your SPI.

Edited September 24, 2012 by Pyroflash

[zacklaws]

I could'nt wait till tommorow, so I gave it another very quick try, and it worked perfect, but I did have to do China hat fwd long, for a far longer time than I usually do, so perhaps I was not noticing what was not happening by not checking, and presumed it had happened as it always has happened and not noticed anything unusual.

 

Anyway, many thanks to all for your help, patience and assistance.

 

Look at the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, I'll be getting up in a few hours.

[ENO]

Or not... Just stay awake and practice!