intographics Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) Hi all, I've decided to upgrade my Mac Pro -Quad-Core Intel Xeon for "D.C.S. World" and "Flaming Cliffs 3" and "Falcon B.M.S. 4.32" (http://www.benchmarksims.org) :thumbup: • upgrade Snow Leopard 10.6.8 to Mountain Lion 10.8.2 • install bootcamp 4 • install Windows 8 • the ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT (256 MB) will be replaced by..haven't decided yet but i'll keep you all informed about this one. My question; is there anybody using Mac Pro (iMac) with bootcamp (for gaming) here on the forum? Greetz, Jan Willem Edited December 30, 2012 by intographics MacPro3,1 - Mountain Lion 10.8.2 - bootcamp 5 - Windows 8 x64 • Quad-Core Intel Xeon 2.8 GHz • Processors: 2 • Total Number Of Cores: 8 • L2 Cache (per processor): 12 MB • Memory: 6 GB
Manuel Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 Hi all, I've decided to upgrade my Mac Pro -Quad-Core Intel Xeon for "D.C.S. World" and "Flaming Cliffs 3". :thumbup: • upgrade Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion • install bootcamp 4 • install Windows 8 • the ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT (256 MB) will be replaced by..haven't decided yet. I'll keep you all informed! :book: Question; is there anybody using Mac Pro (iMac) with bootcamp here on the forum? Greetz, Jan Willem Well thats interesting to see how a mac will perform on that. Graphic Card has to be exchanged. To less memory. Would recommend a HD7970 if you want to keep it down (costs) but you have a mac pro so why dont get a gtx690 ;) Would be a killer! PC: Asus P8Z77-M Mainboard; Intel i5-3570K (4x3,4Ghz) mit Scythe Mugen 3 CPU Kühler; 16Gb Corsair XMS3 1600Mhz; Nvidia GTX570 1280mb; Samsung 830 SSD; Samsung HDD Flight Sim Gear: TM Warthog; Saitek Pro Pedals; TM Cougars on an 19" screen; TrackIR 5 w/ trackclip pro; Logitech G35 headset
neroroxxx Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 I have a 2011 imac the specs are on my signature, i get about 36 to 40 fps on the game with my screen resolution of 2560 x 1440, i run latest mac os x and windows 7 OEM, Ny advice would be to get a high end video card, on enay some people sell video cards that are ready for mac (not all are i think they need some form of hacking to get them to work well) the only think about those is that they wont show the apple logo when rebooting which is not a big deal. I would get a an OWC SSD like a 120GB for better performance and faster game start since the mac pro has 4 slots Im getting a mac pro once they are updated, the current model is pretty out dated for gaming. There Are others using macs with bootcamp for DCS, i think its alla bout the video card, my imac is a monster for just about any application even mac games but when running windows its just nothing that stands out. Good luck Nero 27" iMac, 3.4GHz i7 Quad Core, 16GB Ram, AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb, Running Bootcamp, Windows 7 Home 64bit, Saitek X-52 Pro
neroroxxx Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 May i also suggest you put your full system specs on your signature and specify its a mac pro in case you need help later, its always good Nero 27" iMac, 3.4GHz i7 Quad Core, 16GB Ram, AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb, Running Bootcamp, Windows 7 Home 64bit, Saitek X-52 Pro
intographics Posted December 31, 2012 Author Posted December 31, 2012 signature test.. :thumbup: MacPro3,1 - Mountain Lion 10.8.2 - bootcamp 5 - Windows 8 x64 • Quad-Core Intel Xeon 2.8 GHz • Processors: 2 • Total Number Of Cores: 8 • L2 Cache (per processor): 12 MB • Memory: 6 GB
Erforce Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Hello Jan W. If i don't get wrong, you're the second MacPro user on DCS forum (after me :cheer3nc: ) Lucky for you, i'm still around (even if i don't play often nowadays (still waiting for bugfixes in BS2!!!!)) It's been quite some time i tried/asked everything possible to run BS2 smoothly with my MP. But i didn't succeeded, and bought a PC :devil_2: I'll try to sum up what guys told me here : (Me : Hello EtheralN :D, doing fine? ) MacPro 1,1 - 2,1 - 3,1 are Top Of The Line Core2 architecture - They (DCS members) don't like Core2.:cry: Not seeing a 100% core load on an application doesn't mean your CPU is overperforming. (i would say, if so, that also means the code is bad ;) but ED stills hide behind their "Extreme Simulation" joker word. I don't program, so can't discuss that.) FPS is subjective. (My own goal is 30-60 FPS maxed out. had 8-16 FPS low/med settings with my MP. Unplayable with a chopper.) Go for a SSD, avoid OCZ. (now i have one, i know it doesn't helps FPS, but everything else. No, i can't go back, it's too late.) Change your GPU (didn't agreed wiht my 4890, but for your 2600XT, i'm 100% ok with that) So, in other words : CPU : You're playing (or want to) FC3, this is not a real-world flyable aircraft. Thus it's saves a lot of CPU cycles. I don't have it, nor want it. Can't help you with that. If you intend to play with BlackShark 2 or A-10C, then, Yes, you will have issues with your current MacPro sometimes. (scripted/dynamic weather/cities/crowd...) GPU : Buying a GTX690 is just wasting money. Your Xeons will never supports the load it would require. (ED's vinci Code guilty here) My advice : find a card which will works fine under W8/MacOs. 1GB minimum (2 recommended) possibly quiet and with better performance than HD5770 / GTX 560. (look for DirectX 11.1 too. GTX6xx doesn't support it) System : You have the last "overclokable" possible MacPro (SetFSB.exe). If FPS is an issue, you have this solution. According you never bought your RAM at OWC (at least...) Mine are CSX MP800 Big. maximum at 900Mhz designed for MP3,1. OWC froze at 668, and Dane-Elec at 671Mhz.:music_whistling: Future : The next MacPro, in 2013, considering the RoadMap, will be a gold crap. Now, i post some other threads you might read : FPS results : (my post is #35. Add 4-5 FPS with my MP@3.2Ghz) http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=83269&page=4 Windows FSB Overclock issues for MacPro: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=90498 My Evil turn result : http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=96439 Well, hope that helps. Don't be mad if this thread is moved in PC Hadware setion one day. Edited December 31, 2012 by Erforce TASK / ROLES acronyms guide Black Shark A.I. datalink guide illustrated (v1.2.4 Available on Wiki) DCS World Codex 1.1 : full units list (Speed/Weapons/Armor thickness/Threat zone/Weapon damage...) (Oct 2013) BlackShark 2 1.2.x Bug and glitches thread (v1.2.7)
NoJoe Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 Me too! Me too! :joystick: I'm using an older 2006 Mac Pro with a GeForce GTX 460 tossed in there for good measure. Everything seems to work fine; as far as games are concerned it's just a 2.66 GHz Core 2 Duo with slow RAM. :D I tend to get 20-30 fps on the ground in DCS World, and 30-40 fps in the air. I do have to have Scenes and the visible range set down to Medium or Low, but it still works just fine for me. I'm looking to upgrade sometime soon, as my CPUs are quite a limiting factor when it comes to simulators (X-Plane, DCS, Falcon BMS, etc.), but for the last 6 years this computer has been great to me! --NoJoe
Erforce Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 Hehe ! glad to hear that ! 3 MacPros ! Well, as i said, it depends the sims. As for me, Blackshark 1 was mindblowing 3 years ago, blackshark 2 even more, but in some cases, unplayable. (too much scripts, units...) FC3 should run fine, and A-10 in mose case too, because intrusmentation and engines are less detailed than BS + high altitude. i still doubt about ati's 2600. Lastly, with my new rig, i finally run BS2 at max settings, in every situation, it's fluid. Unfortunately, when you tried that, you can't go back. ("Mhhhh, Water High, sooo nice") I said multiple times here that my 2006 MacPro run every games@high/ultra BUT DCS. EtheralN didn't believed me ;) TASK / ROLES acronyms guide Black Shark A.I. datalink guide illustrated (v1.2.4 Available on Wiki) DCS World Codex 1.1 : full units list (Speed/Weapons/Armor thickness/Threat zone/Weapon damage...) (Oct 2013) BlackShark 2 1.2.x Bug and glitches thread (v1.2.7)
NAPA15 Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 I am new to the sim (as of December).. and I will add myself to the MacbookPro small list of users. :thumbup: I bought my MBP in early 2012, so it's fairly new and handles everything gaming-wise with ease. I run Bootcamp with Win7 x64. I have not overclocked anything, nor upgraded any hardware, and the sim works great for me so far. I am also a HUGE sim-racer (as that is my first passion) and primarily use it for that. No issues there either. I've built my own sim-cockpit... now I need to modify it with joystick and throttle mounts. :music_whistling:
Krechet76 Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 IMac 27" i5 3.1Ghz 4Gb RAM RADEON 6970 1Gb Bootcamp Win 7 64 bit DCS WORLD, All setting maxed - smooth like silk !!!! Waiting for the new SU-27 Model.
MACADEMIC Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 MacBookPro Mid 2011, BootCamp 4.0, Windows 64 Pro, DCS World, P-51D, Network via Time Capsule Performance okay, with most everything in low settings. However haven't worked out how to host games in MP, although opened all 10308 ports with Airport Utility, both under Mac OSX 10.8 and under Windows. Could not establish if this is a TC problem or really what the problem is. Good luck. MAC
neroroxxx Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I'm looking forward to the 2013 Mac Pro (which sounds like will actually happen since they haven't updated them in a while) I just hope Apple doesn't turn it into a Mac Pro-sumer. My next upgrade to my iMac is an SSD which i think i'll be getting the Samsung 840 Pro, 512GB so i can put about 150GB towards windows since all i run on windows is DCS World and Internet Explorer to test my websites and the rest towards the Mac. I gotta say the main downside of the iMac is that the video card is a laptop card and you can't upgrade it, if i could upgrade the video card even for a newer mobile card i would have done it a long time ago, when i upgrade to the Mac Pro at least i'll be able to change things as needed. It'd be cool to have a sub forum for mac users to make it easier to help each other better! Nero 27" iMac, 3.4GHz i7 Quad Core, 16GB Ram, AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb, Running Bootcamp, Windows 7 Home 64bit, Saitek X-52 Pro
EtherealN Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) Internet Explorer to test my websites and the rest towards the Mac. As a small aside, wouldn't it be easier for you to just VM a windows install within MacOS towards that? Saves you from needing reboots just to test a browser. (Or VM it on a server separate from the development machine and remote to it for the tests.) Advantage there is that it would allow very quick switching of multiple OSes including Linux, "vintage" browsers etcetera etcetera. (As you're probably aware, there's still a lot of people running old browsers and old version of Windows.) Just me being curious, whatever works does of course work. :) It'd be cool to have a sub forum for mac users to make it easier to help each other better! Not very many of you, unfortunately, and we already have a bit too many subforums IMO. :( I'd consider mac-specific issues (stuff not directly related to the simulator) to fit well in the PC Hardware and Software section - the macs are, after all, PCs just like everyone elses but with a different OS. And since the game runs on Windows only, the simulator-related stuff fits in the rest. Edited January 10, 2013 by EtherealN [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
neroroxxx Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 As a small aside, wouldn't it be easier for you to just VM a windows install within MacOS towards that? Saves you from needing reboots just to test a browser. Just me being curious, whatever works does of course work. :) Not very many of you, unfortunately, and we already have a bit too many subforums IMO. :( I'd consider mac-specific issues (stuff not directly related to the simulator) to fit well in the PC Hardware and Software section - the macs are, after all, PCs just like everyone elses but with a different OS. And since the game runs on Windows only, the simulator-related stuff fits in the rest. Yeah i figured there weren't enough mac users to do that lol hopefully one day! At some point i actually thought of starting a Mac Users Thread that would contain links to any posts about running DCSW on macs :) As far as a VM for windows goes, I originally bought parallels and windows hoping to run A-10C at the time on parallels but the performance wasn't so great, I often had issues with graphics and full screen mores so i decided to run bootcamp instead. The other things i tried was to run parallels from the bootcamp partitions (basically you have the option so you can access windows from either parallels or bootcamp with all your stuff installed) but the issue i would have was if i ran DCS A-10C i would have to re-activate it so i think i lost like 3 activations from doing that, i think it's because of the VM virtual hardware changes that probably make DCS world think it's running off a new machine. The other issue was that i bought a Windows OEM version (i had no clue i thought i was on sale, im used to the Mac OS X to be just 1 version that you just buy and instal but with windows there are many versions plus the OEM) so windows would need to be reactivated the same way because it probably thought it was a different machine so i had so many issues with it. Once i have an SSD i'll put Windows on it for bootcamp and maybe i can buy a copy of XP to run with parallels just for testing of websites and i can instal that one on the HDD :) Nero 27" iMac, 3.4GHz i7 Quad Core, 16GB Ram, AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb, Running Bootcamp, Windows 7 Home 64bit, Saitek X-52 Pro
Krechet76 Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) I would preferrably go for the Maximal configuration of Imac 27", but for that price I could probably have built 2 perfect PCs with ALMOST the same LCD screens. although the compactness of MAC definitely is an argument. I actually bought it for my wife to edit photos, but the compromice was to install WIn 7 on it (bbotcump) to fly Flaming cliffs 2, and it worked PERFECTLY!! I was amazed by the smoothness of the sim on the MAX-MAX game settings on the default screen resolution. AMAZING picture......!! Unbeliavable.... And I thinnk SSD is a MUST! (I think)) Edited January 10, 2013 by Krechet76
TraxusIV Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Hi all, I've decided to upgrade my Mac Pro -Quad-Core Intel Xeon for "D.C.S. World" and "Flaming Cliffs 3" and "Falcon B.M.S. 4.32" (http://www.benchmarksims.org) :thumbup: • upgrade Snow Leopard 10.6.8 to Mountain Lion 10.8.2 • install bootcamp 4 • install Windows 8 • the ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT (256 MB) will be replaced by..haven't decided yet but i'll keep you all informed about this one. My question; is there anybody using Mac Pro (iMac) with bootcamp (for gaming) here on the forum? Greetz, Jan Willem <UNSOLICITED_ADVICE> You're in luck, and out of luck in what you'd like to do. You can get a very nice machine for DCS out of a Mac Pro, but there are some pitfalls. I'm running on a late 2009 with a bazillion GB of ram and stuff, and it works quite well, with a couple exeptions. First off, the CPU will have no trouble at all, I think. As long as you have at least 8GB ram, you should be good. I'm running on 16 (I think) and I've never noticed any cpu related slowdowns. The really critical item is the video card, and that's what is going to cause the most trouble. We're fortunate in that most modern PC video cards are working out of the box now with OS X. This is a change from several years ago when there were no drivers available. But recently, (I think it was with Snow Leopard) we got modern drivers built into the os. What this means is that you no longer have to rely on special Macerized versions of video cards that are already 3 years old. In my box I have an nVidia GTX 570 made by evga. But there's a catch. The power supply inside your Mac Pro is generally not a beast of a power supply. They are designed to provide enough power to run 4 hard drives, two optical drives, and 4 PCI express cards, as long as those cards have moderate power consumption. High end video cards require more power than the power supply is designed to handle. Further, the ps generally does not come with extra connectors for video cards. In my case, I had to use two 6 pin connectors on my motherboard. That meant that I had to make sure I bought a card that only needed two 6 pin connectors, rather than a 6 and an 8, or two 8 pin connectors. That's the critical thing, to find a card that your motherboard and powersupply will support. There's an ugly alternative though. You can buy a computer power supply (thermaltake is a good brand), and just set it on top of your mac pro, with the appropriate wires snaking in through a PCI slot cover to power the card. You'd have to figure out how to fool the power supply into thinking it's attached to a motherboard, but there are tutorials around to help you do that. There's one last alternative. Someone on the web (I forget who, so you'll have to do some expert googling here) sells a cable that converts several 4 pin drive connectors into a 6 or 8 pin video connector. This can be used if, for example, your mobo only has one 6 pin connector, or you need a 6 and an 8 pin connector. The catch is that these 4 pin connectors are not intended to provide large amounts of power, and they are generally all on the same internal circuits as your other drives (they are intended in the Mac Pro for optical drives). As a result, you may have to cut down how many hard drives you have installed. Even if you go off of two 6 pin connectors on your motherboard, as I did, you may still have to reduce the number of drives to prevent artifacting and video card crashes. So bottom line, figure out how you're going to connect a new video card before you choose the card itself. Next, something you need to consider when selecting the card is how many monitors you will want to drive. I found out too late that my evga GTX570 will only support two simultaneous displays. This is a problem because I had wanted to drive three monitors. I ended up connecting two to the 570, and one to the original GT120 card that came with my Mac. But the original video card is just horrible, so any time any part of the video gets displayed on the monitor connected to the original card, everything slows down to about a quarter frame per second. I imagine there may be a work around for this, but I haven't found it yet. Lastly, you will have to keep your original card installed, as cards intended for windows still can't generally handle the fact that the Mac Pro doesn't use a BIOS, but uses EFI firmware instead. As a result, you'll never be able to see the boot screen on a windows card, so if you have to hold down option to select a startup drive, you'll be SOL. I just keep my original card installed. Now, because the Mac Pro has been found in the past to support SLI, there is the possibility that you could get two SLI capable nvidia cards and run them in the top two slots, with your original video card in the third or fourth slot. This would require that you use an external power supply, but I think it could be done. BUT...... That brings up my last point. If you start really getting into DCS, to the point that you're plunking down hundreds of dollars on controllers and accessories, and are feeling the drive to build a cockpit, you'll really be better off considering a whole new PC dedicated to gaming. The advantages are legion, chief among them being the ability to select your desired hardware with relative freedom, and the fact that you'll never need to reboot into Mac OS, because your mac will already be right there on another monitor for you to use. If you can afford to invest the money, and either have the necessary experience to build it yourself, or know someone who has such knowledge and is willing to help, I really really recommend a dedicated machine. Mac Pros can do a lot, but they do have limitations, and if flying and blowing up tanks is something you find you adore, it'll be worth the effort and expense to do it right. Oh, final final note here: Load times generally suck with 7200rpm drives. I'd really recommend take a look at an SSD as others are recommending. </UNSOLICITED_ADVICE> Trax If you disapprove of this post, please feel free to give me negative rep. If you approve of this post, please feel free to give me negative rep.
TraxusIV Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Not very many of you, unfortunately, and we already have a bit too many subforums IMO. :( I'd consider mac-specific issues (stuff not directly related to the simulator) to fit well in the PC Hardware and Software section - the macs are, after all, PCs just like everyone elses but with a different OS. And since the game runs on Windows only, the simulator-related stuff fits in the rest. Oh, we're around. We just learned long ago from the Steam forums to be cautious in disclosing our Macness. :) I'd second keeping macs mixed in with windows machines. The two communities have been divided for so many years, it's nice to be able to start merging them into one happy family. Might be nice to have a Sticky thread for mac specific tips, but a whole sub forum... meh. Trax If you disapprove of this post, please feel free to give me negative rep. If you approve of this post, please feel free to give me negative rep.
Erforce Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 Hehe To be clear, my MP1.1@2.66G runs perfectly FC2 and BMS 4 at max settings. It's pretty smoth in BS2 on any external view. It's not inside cokpit. MacPro has limitations, but as far as i can see, it supports at least 700W. Remember each FB-Dimm is 17w. each Xeon is almost 100w. some options, and support easily my GPU over 300W (2x6 pins). Today GPU are far better optimized than before, so i guess 2 GPU mid+ range should be really ok. (ofc don't try 2x690, and ofc, useless in DCS) Every mac subforum i saw for games was just a whining subforum. Remember Bootcamp has IDE drivers for windows. Which slows down the benefit of a SSD (still great but...) The problem with iMac : it does not love summer and gaming. For MacBook Pro, mine is late 2009 last core2 line@3Ghz +GT9600M, and, well my MP is better. and seeing a CPU@95°C is... disturbing. TASK / ROLES acronyms guide Black Shark A.I. datalink guide illustrated (v1.2.4 Available on Wiki) DCS World Codex 1.1 : full units list (Speed/Weapons/Armor thickness/Threat zone/Weapon damage...) (Oct 2013) BlackShark 2 1.2.x Bug and glitches thread (v1.2.7)
EtherealN Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) There's one last alternative. Someone on the web (I forget who, so you'll have to do some expert googling here) sells a cable that converts several 4 pin drive connectors into a 6 or 8 pin video connector. This can be used if, for example, your mobo only has one 6 pin connector, or you need a 6 and an 8 pin connector. The catch is that these 4 pin connectors are not intended to provide large amounts of power, and they are generally all on the same internal circuits as your other drives (they are intended in the Mac Pro for optical drives). By 4-pin, you mean the MOLEX? I've found that most (though I guess possibly not all) Graphics cards have some of these included in the package. Everyone I've bought this side of 2005 at least - obviously excepting those that were purchased for pure office machines and thus lived happily on pure PCIe juice. Should be able to find these carried at any moderately well stocked electronics supplyer, online and offline. Lastly, you will have to keep your original card installed, as cards intended for windows still can't generally handle the fact that the Mac Pro doesn't use a BIOS, but uses EFI firmware instead. As a result, you'll never be able to see the boot screen on a windows card, so if you have to hold down option to select a startup drive, you'll be SOL. I just keep my original card installed. "PC's" haven't used BIOS in two years, largely replaced by UEFI. Your 570, for example, handles that stuff just fine. EDIT: Should clarify - haven't used BIOS exclusively. Some mobos and chipsets sold still have BIOS, but they are few. Edited January 11, 2013 by EtherealN [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
Erforce Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) EtheralN, we don't have enough cables to do that in the MacPro. It would remove my 2 optical drives in my MP1,1, and same for newer models. Unlike Apple way of life, we still need Optical Drive :) For 6pins power cables, i've bought my cable on ebay.us (crazyconn member) Ebay link G5 PCI power cable Note that he later added MacPro compatible ;) I highly discourage to buy a 6+8pins GPU, nor mixing ATI+Nvidia. (Mac hate that) Edited January 11, 2013 by Erforce mislinking TASK / ROLES acronyms guide Black Shark A.I. datalink guide illustrated (v1.2.4 Available on Wiki) DCS World Codex 1.1 : full units list (Speed/Weapons/Armor thickness/Threat zone/Weapon damage...) (Oct 2013) BlackShark 2 1.2.x Bug and glitches thread (v1.2.7)
TraxusIV Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 By 4-pin, you mean the MOLEX? Yep, I did mean molex. "PC's" haven't used BIOS in two years, largely replaced by UEFI. Your 570, for example, handles that stuff just fine. EDIT: Should clarify - haven't used BIOS exclusively. Some mobos and chipsets sold still have BIOS, but they are few. Hmm, my understanding is that it isn't just the efi. Mac versions of video cards have extra rom built in to handle the OS X boot stuff. PC Cards don't have this. Some creative googling ought to provide the specifics of why and how, but bottom line is that you don't see the Mac boot screen on a pc video card (as of my mp and gtx570, anyway). I am very glad to hear that pcs are going to efi though. The more standardization between macs and standard pcs, the better. :) On the topic of the MP's power supply though, I had to take out two of my drives to make sure the card gets enough juice. I had pretty much all my bays filled though. Currently I have three hd and one optical drive installed. Trax If you disapprove of this post, please feel free to give me negative rep. If you approve of this post, please feel free to give me negative rep.
TraxusIV Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 EtheralN, we don't have enough cables to do that in the MacPro. It would remove my 2 optical drives in my MP1,1, and same for newer models. Unlike Apple way of life, we still need Optical Drive :) For 6pins power cables, i've bought my cable on ebay.us (crazyconn member) Ebay link G5 PCI power cable Note that he later added MacPro compatible ;) I highly discourage to buy a 6+8pins GPU, nor mixing ATI+Nvidia. (Mac hate that) Second on not mixing ati and nvidia. Long history of unpredictable behavior when doing so. Personally, I prefer nvidia because of the physx, and the fact that I can write programs that use the cards for general parallel computing using nvidia's CUDA. Trax If you disapprove of this post, please feel free to give me negative rep. If you approve of this post, please feel free to give me negative rep.
Erforce Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 Unfortunately, UEFI is not EFI. You can see more and more programs which allows you to modify UEFI parameters, which is far better than BIOS. But EFI, no one knows how to tweak this thing, to be polite. it's a shame, but probably wanted by Apple. Also, i've heard old stories about a PC flashed GPU on a mac, would not boot at startup (only when arriving on finder) That's why i flashed my 4890 for mac with netkas utilities. Pushing Alt at start and visually choose the system you want, is... essential ! TASK / ROLES acronyms guide Black Shark A.I. datalink guide illustrated (v1.2.4 Available on Wiki) DCS World Codex 1.1 : full units list (Speed/Weapons/Armor thickness/Threat zone/Weapon damage...) (Oct 2013) BlackShark 2 1.2.x Bug and glitches thread (v1.2.7)
BDMSTUDIOS Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) YES, YOU CAN! Hi all, I've decided to upgrade my Mac Pro -Quad-Core Intel Xeon for "D.C.S. World" and "Flaming Cliffs 3" and "Falcon B.M.S. 4.32" (www.benchmarksims.org) :thumbup: • upgrade Snow Leopard 10.6.8 to Mountain Lion 10.8.2 • install bootcamp 4 • install Windows 8 • the ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT (256 MB) will be replaced by..haven't decided yet but i'll keep you all informed about this one. My question; is there anybody using Mac Pro (iMac) with bootcamp (for gaming) here on the forum? Greetz, Jan Willem Hi JW, there's NO PROBLEM running DCS on a MAC PRO 3.1! See my signature for more details. For the video card I would advice a GTX 670 FTW :thumbup:, this can be a PC VERSION (full driver support in MAC OS X 10.8.2) no matter what. I used (2x) MAC mini PCIe to PCIe PC Y-splitter cable's and cross-wired both my NVIDIA GT8800 MAC-EDITION and the EVGA GTX 670 FTW PC VERSION for maximum logic-board PCIe power balancing! These cables are both connected to the onboard PCIe power connectors: See image below https://www.dropbox.com/s/2357wpm1g20vv0k/Onboard_PCIe.jpg http://www.moddiy.com/products/Apple-Mini%252dPCIe-6%252dPin-to-Standard-Dual-PCIe-6%252dPin-Video-Card-Power-Cable.html Hook-up your monitor to the EVGA and keep your HD2600 with a (added) simple TFT monitor for bootscreen and/or admin tweaks! Screenoptions in MAC OS X 10.8.2. https://www.dropbox.com/s/3mpdg6w172oa51y/BOOTCAMP%205_0.jpg Output EVGA OC Scanner X 2.2.2 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> Detecting GPUs... 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> Found 2 GPUs. 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - GPU 1: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - Bus ID: 1 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - Cores: 112 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - Partitions: 4 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - Shader Pipes: 7 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - Memory size: 0MB 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - Memory type: GDDR3 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - Bios: 62.92.20.00.16 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - GPU temperature: 67.000°C 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - Graphics driver: 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - True clocks - GPU clock: 300MHz - Memory clock: 100MHz - Shader clock: 0MHz - GPU voltage: 0.000V 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - PState 0 - GPU clock: 600MHz - Memory clock: 900MHz - Shader clock: 0MHz - GPU voltage: 1.050V 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - PState 12 - GPU clock: 300MHz - Memory clock: 100MHz - Shader clock: 0MHz - GPU voltage: 0.950V 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - Fan speed: 30% 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - Fan speed: -1 RPM 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - GPU 2: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - Bus ID: 2 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - Cores: 1344 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - Partitions: 4 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - Shader Pipes: 4 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - Memory size: 4096MB 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - Memory type: GDDR5 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - Bios: 80.04.4b.00.70 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - GPU temperature: 68.000°C 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - Graphics driver: 9.18.13.1090 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - True clocks - GPU clock: 1005MHz - Memory clock: 3004MHz - Shader clock: 0MHz - GPU voltage: 0.000V 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - GTX 600 series - GPU base clock: 1006MHz - GPU boost clock: 1084MHz 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - PState 0 - GPU clock: 1293MHz - Memory clock: 3004MHz - Shader clock: 0MHz - GPU voltage: 0.988V 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - PState 2 - GPU clock: 1293MHz - Memory clock: 3004MHz - Shader clock: 0MHz - GPU voltage: 0.988V 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - PState 5 - GPU clock: 862MHz - Memory clock: 810MHz - Shader clock: 0MHz - GPU voltage: 0.988V 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - PState 8 - GPU clock: 324MHz - Memory clock: 324MHz - Shader clock: 0MHz - GPU voltage: 0.988V 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - Fan speed: 46% 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> - Fan speed: 1890 RPM 2013/01/19 @ 20:12:55 >> GPU monitoring thread started up ok. 2013/01/19 @ 20:13:47 >> Freeing EVGA OC Scanner X resources... 2013/01/19 @ 20:13:47 >> Exit from EVGA OC Scanner X. EVGA installed in Slot-1, NVIDIA MAC installed in Slot-2 NVIDIA GT8800: 1x PCIe 6-pin from onboard connector #1 EVGA GTX 670 FTW: 1x PCIe 6-pin from onboard connector #1 1x PCIe 6-pin from onboard connector #2 1x PCIe 6-pin from onboard connector #SPARE https://www.dropbox.com/s/r8zuz3eda249mem/EVGA_GTX670_FTW_PC_in_MACPRO.jpg RED: indicates a non-compatibility issue within Windows using the scanner on the NVIDIA GT8800 MAC_EDITION! Goodluck mate and cheers on your choise to use your MAC!!!! RUNS LIKE A HOT KNIFE THRU BUTTER! ;-) Edited January 21, 2013 by BDMSTUDIOS added cable picture and info! '-) DCS WORLD 1.2.2 - NVIDIA 310.90 WHQL + CUDA 5.0.545 || MAC PRO 3.1 [early 2008] || BOOTCAMP 5.0 || MAC OS X 10.8.4 [12E55] - NVIDIA Geforce GT8800 512 MB MAC-Edition + Samsung SyncMaster 191T || WINDOWS 8 PRO x64 - EVGA GTX-670 FTW 4GB + Hewlett Packard HP LP2480zx || 2x 2,8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon || 12GB DDR2 800 MHz FB-DIMM || 4x 1 TB WD Black Caviar 7200/64MB || MAC PRO 3.1 980W || OnBoard Realtek Soundcard -
ctguy1955 Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) Dcs world with mac mini ????? I have a mac mini, C07DR373DD6H Mac mini Processor:2.4GHz Core 2 Duo (P8600) Serial #:C07DR373DD6H Model #:A1347 Current Total Memory: 8 gigs Current Hard Drive: Model Family: Mac mini Processor: 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo (P8600) Manufacturer: Intel # of CPUs: 1 Codename: Penryn Base Memory: 2GB PC3-8500 SODIMM Max Memory: 8GB # Memory Slots: 2 Brand: Apple Wireless: 802.11a/b/g/n Color(s): Aluminum Original OS: Mac OS X 10.6.4 now running Lion:helpsmilie: Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce 320M (256MB) Base Storage: 320GB 5400RPM SATA 2.5" Optical Drive: 8x DL Superdrive Model Number: A1347 Sales Number(s): MC270LL/A Machine Number(s): Macmini4,1 Dimensions: 7.7 in x 7.7 in x 1.4 in Weight: 2.9 lb Released: Jun 15, 2010 (Mid 2010) Factory: Unknown Based on your serial number, your device is a Mid 2010 model and was assembled on: Production Year: 2010 Production Week: 48 (December) Production Number: 3709 I am working in New York and live in CT. My PC is home and I miss running DCS World and spend a lot of time here watching youtube videos of others videos just to remember playing. Would I be able to run the latest bootcamp ver 5 and use a 64 bit Win 7 disk and be able to run DCS World while not at home on this Imac Mini ???? Thanks for help. I have 8 gigs of Ram and my hard drive may be 5400 Edited March 4, 2015 by ctguy1955
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