Wayc00lio Posted April 18, 2013 Author Posted April 18, 2013 Its actually a Samsung S27B350H. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Asus ROG Rampage Extreme VI; i9 7900X (all 10 cores at 4.5GHz); 32 Gb Corsair Dominator DDR4; EVGA 1080Ti Hybrid; 1Tb Samsung 960 Evo M2; 2Tb Samsung 850 Pro secondary. Oculus Rift; TM Warthog; Saitek Combat Pros.
Wayc00lio Posted April 18, 2013 Author Posted April 18, 2013 Right, so now I've changed all the vsync settings to: Vertical sync = Use the 3D Application Setting Vertical sync tear control = standard And turned on vsync in the options in game. All looking good at 60 FPS. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Asus ROG Rampage Extreme VI; i9 7900X (all 10 cores at 4.5GHz); 32 Gb Corsair Dominator DDR4; EVGA 1080Ti Hybrid; 1Tb Samsung 960 Evo M2; 2Tb Samsung 850 Pro secondary. Oculus Rift; TM Warthog; Saitek Combat Pros.
Wolf Rider Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) :thumbup: iEDIT as an afterthought... in the NV Control Panel, also try turning off Antialiasing -Gamma Correction and FXAA, plus Threaded Optimisation and Triple Buffer Edited April 19, 2013 by Wolf Rider City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar"
Bucic Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 As a rule of thumb: If a game handles option A it should be enabled in-game and gr. driver should be configured to 'A: Application controlled', or similar. Other notes: If Vsync is used, maxfps is of no use. My posts in the Tweak Guide Alpha thread: http://forums.eagle.ru/search.php?searchid=5500741 F-5E simpit cockpit dimensions and flight controls Kill the Bloom - shader glow mod Poor audio Doppler effect in DCS [bug] Trees - huge performance hit especially up close
Wayc00lio Posted April 19, 2013 Author Posted April 19, 2013 OK, set all antialiasing to application control and still getting 60FPS. Just out of interest, is it normal that the shadows still look jaggy? No AA applied to shadows then? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Asus ROG Rampage Extreme VI; i9 7900X (all 10 cores at 4.5GHz); 32 Gb Corsair Dominator DDR4; EVGA 1080Ti Hybrid; 1Tb Samsung 960 Evo M2; 2Tb Samsung 850 Pro secondary. Oculus Rift; TM Warthog; Saitek Combat Pros.
msalama Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 If Vsync is used, maxfps is of no use. I beg to disagree. If you want to get rid of irregular motion stutters it _certainly_ is of use. See my previous post concerning this: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1668902&postcount=22 The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of.
Wolf Rider Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 ~ Just out of interest, is it normal that the shadows still look jaggy? ~ erm, (in cockpit) yep City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar"
Wayc00lio Posted April 19, 2013 Author Posted April 19, 2013 I was scanning the outside of the jet and the shadows that come off the canopy spars and are cast on the fuselage look jaggy - as well as the cockpit ones along the rails. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Asus ROG Rampage Extreme VI; i9 7900X (all 10 cores at 4.5GHz); 32 Gb Corsair Dominator DDR4; EVGA 1080Ti Hybrid; 1Tb Samsung 960 Evo M2; 2Tb Samsung 850 Pro secondary. Oculus Rift; TM Warthog; Saitek Combat Pros.
Bucic Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 I beg to disagree. If you want to get rid of irregular motion stutters it _certainly_ is of use. See my previous post concerning this: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1668902&postcount=22 I've never heard of a case where Vsync would allow for stuttering. My first guess would be Vsync on your machine didn't kick in actually. I'd run a 3 minutes FRAPS FPS capture, drop it to a spreadsheet and verify that Vsync did kick in. F-5E simpit cockpit dimensions and flight controls Kill the Bloom - shader glow mod Poor audio Doppler effect in DCS [bug] Trees - huge performance hit especially up close
msalama Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 (edited) Wasn't the vsync causing it, but the sim engine trying to shove unlimited frames/second down the pipeline, all of which then hit a bottleneck somewhere in the graphics chain causing irregular motion stuttering. And yeah, vsync was definitely working, because at half the refresh rate I was getting a constant 30 f/s without limiting the FPS anywhere otherwise. And as stated in the other thread it went away completely when I limited the FPS to 30, so yeah, believe it or not MaxFPS _can_ indeed be of use even when you use vsync ;) PS / EDIT: And oh yeah, the problem was repeatable too, so it wasn't just me having wrong kinda mushrooms for brekkie and hallucinating. Edited April 25, 2013 by msalama The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of.
Bucic Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Wasn't the vsync causing it, but the sim engine trying to shove unlimited frames/second down the pipeline, all of which then hit a bottleneck somewhere in the graphics chain causing irregular motion stuttering. And yeah, vsync was definitely working, because at half the refresh rate I was getting a constant 30 f/s without limiting the FPS anywhere otherwise. And as stated in the other thread it went away completely when I limited the FPS to 30, so yeah, believe it or not MaxFPS _can_ indeed be of use even when you use vsync ;) PS / EDIT: And oh yeah, the problem was repeatable too, so it wasn't just me having wrong kinda mushrooms for brekkie and hallucinating. IMO you should report it as a bug. In case of any easily observable stuttering, not to mention some severe stuttering. F-5E simpit cockpit dimensions and flight controls Kill the Bloom - shader glow mod Poor audio Doppler effect in DCS [bug] Trees - huge performance hit especially up close
msalama Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 IMO you should report it as a bug.Again, I beg to disagree. Doesn't indicate a bug of any sort that I can think of. The thing is, you should think of DCS and your graphics chain as a factory conveyor belt of sorts, where everything has to be synced to the slowest participating actor. So what I experienced in this particular case was the belt loader (i.e. the DCS graphics engine) putting out so much stuff that the workers down the line just couldn't keep up, and hence the stutters. But when I, as a factory foreman, told the guy to tone it down, we got our production to run smoothly again! PS. Hell, with the metaphors I'm using I obviously should've born in da Motor City back in the day and worked at Dodge Main now that I think on it... :D The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of.
Bucic Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 Again, I beg to disagree. Doesn't indicate a bug of any sort that I can think of. The thing is, you should think of DCS and your graphics chain as a factory conveyor belt of sorts, where everything has to be synced to the slowest participating actor. So what I experienced in this particular case was the belt loader (i.e. the DCS graphics engine) putting out so much stuff that the workers down the line just couldn't keep up, and hence the stutters. But when I, as a factory foreman, told the guy to tone it down, we got our production to run smoothly again! PS. Hell, with the metaphors I'm using I obviously should've born in da Motor City back in the day and worked at Dodge Main now that I think on it... :D I'm not a shader programmer or anything but to my knowledge Vsync alone should provide buttery smooth animation. If it doesn't and there is no peculiar bugs in your graphics driver the game is the only element to blame I can think of. Theres nothing new I can add here unless you provide some FPS poll or frame times. F-5E simpit cockpit dimensions and flight controls Kill the Bloom - shader glow mod Poor audio Doppler effect in DCS [bug] Trees - huge performance hit especially up close
msalama Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 (edited) the game is the only element to blame I can think of.Indeed, or in other words the sim was outputting too much f/s for the graphics chain to swallow and hence the stuttering. And while DCS is a demanding piece of SW and could do with some further optimization, what I experienced still doesn't indicate a _bug_ per se, just that even a beefy machine such as mine does benefit from thinking of the system as a conveyor belt and adjusting for smooth throughput precisely _because_ DCS is so demanding. You catch my drift mate? Edited April 26, 2013 by msalama The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of.
Bucic Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 I do, but I'm just trying to tell you that filing a bug report that :may: be invalid is nothing wrong. Check out any bug reporting service. On a side note - my GF 9600GT and old c2d provided smooth gameplay with Vsync on, 25-50 FPS. F-5E simpit cockpit dimensions and flight controls Kill the Bloom - shader glow mod Poor audio Doppler effect in DCS [bug] Trees - huge performance hit especially up close
msalama Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 filing a bug report that :may: be invalid is nothing wrong. Oh, I agree completely. It's just that should I file one, I'd then _really_ have to think hard of what exactly am I reporting on, apart from the sim engine needing some further optimization maybe ;) But yeah, if I find something tangible and am able to present the case well enough, sure will... S! The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of.
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