Missile Bug

[IADC]

Was pulling my hair out trying to figure out why my Mavericks in a training mission I build kept blowing up. I only come to find that the SA19 is shooting them down. Has anyone else had this problem?

 

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Weapon Deployment Practice.miz

[chromium]

check here: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=105586

 

But I don't think it's a real bug, at least it's not a mission building problem :)

[IADC]

I took a look and yes agree its not a building problem just an annoying problem. I have never heard of the SA19 having that capability to shoot down a MAV. Load of bollocks in IMO. Dropped a GBU on his head from Angles 18 and that sorted him. Also tested it using a SA15 and he started shooting them down as well. One i don't even know if he could track it and second get a lock. Maybe he could knock it out with a guns but then again only if he could see it.

[otto]

The sa19 uses the same missiles as the Kashtan russian navy CIWS.And Kashtan is a system specialy designed to engage and destroy other missiles.Especially cruise missiles and balistic.

The maverick is a very slow missile and has a high balistic trajectory wich makes it vulnerable to anti missile systems.

But in real life the maverick was never fired at any sa19 so no one realy knows for sure what happens.

 

I don't know wich version of the sa19 is simulated in the game.Early versions were designed to shoot down helicopters and were less effective or could not shoot down missiles at all.

 

That is what i know but i'm no expert.It's possible i'm rong.

Edited May 24, 2013 by otto

[IADC]

Otto that's interesting info. My observations are also based on limited knowledge and maybe the bugger does shoot down MAVS who knows. Maybe ill try the double tap on the sucker.

[blkspade]

The sa19 uses the same missiles as the Kashtan russian navy CIWS.And Kashtan is a system specialy designed to engage and destroy other missiles.Especially cruise missiles and balistic.

The maverick is a very slow missile and has a high balistic trajectory wich makes it vulnerable to anti missile systems.

But in real life the maverick was never fired at any sa19 so no one realy knows for sure what happens.

 

I don't know wich version of the sa19 is simulated in the game.Early versions were designed to shoot down helicopters and were less effective or could not shoot down missiles at all.

 

That is what i know but i'm no expert.It's possible i'm rong.

 

The thing is cruise and anti-ship missiles are generally huge, providing a lot of surface area to both target and hit. The question I would have is, does a maverick have a large enough RCS to actually be engaged?

[RIPTIDE]

The thing is cruise and anti-ship missiles are generally huge, providing a lot of surface area to both target and hit. The question I would have is, does a maverick have a large enough RCS to actually be engaged?

AGM-65 is a foot wide. A Harpoon for example is only an inch or two wider.

[ENO]

Another two points to throw into this fray:

 

1) It was mentioned in the other thread that if the missile is fired AT the launcher itself that its target profile would not move laterally (because it's heading right towards the radar) and would only get bigger- presenting a rather easy (and at the end of an 8 mile drop a slow) target.

 

Okay- I kind of see that point.

 

2) Why on earth is it that it can blat Mavericks out of the sky (I got mad once and attacked from almost directly above the launcher from 20k and 2 miles lateral range) within seconds of launch- moving or not moving- but don't engage free fall bombs moving at a quarter of the speed.

 

This one makes me mad a little. Okay, so I can't snap shoot one off the hip with any success but I can climb up to somewhere above 17k and drop a can or slick and kill it with no drama at all?

 

Seems fishy.

 

Some suggestions they make is that one aircraft hover at fringe range and draw fire while another fires a missile at the launcher- or that you draw fire from the launcher, launch your own missile and then evade. Apparently the AI can't track two targets at once after launching.

 

Also as already mentioned, bombing it... or using the much faster moving ARMs off the SU25T. I like the teamwork that inspires- but it gets old.

 

However- if that is truly realistic and not over-modelled I guess we just need to get creative in our attacks and not assume our mavs are silver bullets.

[otto]

From wikipedia about Kashtan:

 

"it provides defence against anti-ship missiles, anti-radar missiles and guided bombs" so the bug could be that in game sa19 can't destroy bombs :)).

 

But beyound the fact the Kashtan and sa19 use the same missiles i don't know how similar this sistems are.

 

In the end i want to say i also love to blow sh== up with my a10c more than i like the sa19.

[otto]

Sa19 killed with mavericks.Just need to fire 3-4.

a10 sa19 kill 1.trk

[RIPTIDE]

From wikipedia about Kashtan:

 

"it provides defence against anti-ship missiles, anti-radar missiles and guided bombs" so the bug could be that in game sa19 can't destroy bombs :)).

 

But beyound the fact the Kashtan and sa19 use the same missiles i don't know how similar this sistems are.

 

In the end i want to say i also love to blow sh== up with my a10c more than i like the sa19.

Here's the thing though... aren't all those naval SHORAD modules hooked into the main RADAR Complex on the ship? In other words getting a leg up on a standalone Ground version.

[otto]

What i know is that tha naval Kashtan has some kind of electro-optical targeting system in case they're radars are jammed or destroyed.It's specialy designed to function efficiently if necesary without radar suport.The sa19 could have the same optical tageting system but this is my speculation.

I do belive the radar complex on a ship offers an advantage but this is again just my speculation.

Edited May 24, 2013 by otto

[IADC]

Well on average it seems to take 3 MAVS rippled fired to take him down. By the time you get within the range with the MAV you are also in range for him to shoot back. You first MAV is almost instantly taken out once launched, the second one gets with in around 1/2 mile before he launches a second defensive missile and your third MAV is right between the eyes. Taking munitions efficiency in to account and if you want to make a decent impact with your time over target its more economical spending the time to take the fat HOG up to angels 18 and dropping a GBU on his head. Whats goofy is why cant he shoot down the GBU? Its slow and floats to TGT like an ambling elephant and is a bigger target than the MAV. Maybe the SA19 operator gets neck ache looking straight up.

 

I am still not not convinced the SA19 would be good enough to maintain a 100% kill ratio as he does in DCS.

[blkspade]

AGM-65 is a foot wide. A Harpoon for example is only an inch or two wider.

 

I was more or less thinking in terms of length than diameter. The difference there is in feet.

[GGTharos]

The radar cues the EO guidance system. Without an advace warning/cue, your defensive system will be far less capable of intercepting targets because it will have trouble finding them - all of this results in delayed reaction, missed fire opportunities etc.

 

Keep in mind that this thing you mention is about the terminal guidance, not about detection and cueing for terminal guidance.

 

What i know is that tha naval Kashtan has some kind of electro-optical targeting system in case they're radars are jammed or destroyed.It's specialy designed to function efficiently if necesary without radar suport.The sa19 could have the same optical tageting system but this is my speculation.

I do belive the radar complex on a ship offers an advantage but this is again just my speculation.