Harrysound Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 Hi I've created a random generated mission with a 'high' amount of SAM's The SAM's are Avenger M1097 I'm using this mission to test my counter measures , possible with a friend online later. When I fly into range of the SAM's I don't get any warning , vocal or on the LWS lights to the front. Before I know it I'm going down, my counter measures largely ineffective. I've tested the LWS and its all working fine. Obviously I'm a noob, not a real pilot , but I fiddled with the Betty to try and perhaps get audible warnings yet nothing. am I missing something, are the SAM's in the mission using something the shark can't pick up?
RagnarDa Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 Yup - they're not using any laser :) LWS=Laser Warning System DCS AJS37 HACKERMAN There will always be bugs. If everything is a priority nothing is.
Fishbreath Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 The Shark only has a laser warning system. A proper MAWS would be awesome, and IIRC the sensors are there on some Ka-50 airframes, but we only get warnings for laser rangefinders and active laser homing missiles, as I understand it. Black Shark, Harrier, and Hornet pilot Many Words - Serial Fiction | Ka-50 Employment Guide | Ka-50 Avionics Cheat Sheet | Multiplayer Shooting Range Mission
Harrysound Posted September 8, 2013 Author Posted September 8, 2013 Ah yes, so the Sam I'm using is using radar right? Damn, that's pretty devastating . It's not a fair fight.
Fishbreath Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 Nope, the Avenger (which launches Stingers) is IR-guided. You wouldn't even get a lock warning in the A-10 (although it would trigger a launch warning). The Ka-50 is really under-equipped when it comes to battlefield survival, IMO. Black Shark, Harrier, and Hornet pilot Many Words - Serial Fiction | Ka-50 Employment Guide | Ka-50 Avionics Cheat Sheet | Multiplayer Shooting Range Mission
Bigby Wolf Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 (edited) Yeah, the Shark only has laser warning, and I hear its really only for strong lasers, like ranging. Beam riders may not be strong enough to light it up. Heli's were not made to go up against the better SAMs. You need to hug the earth, and ambush them from cover. Do a popup attack just at the edge of a hill, so you can scurry back behind it if you see a launch. Also remember, the vhikers are fast missiles, so if the missile is SARH, you might be able to kill the tracker before the missile can hit you. In that case, after the tracking radar is destroyed, you can just move out of the path of the missile. If its one of the larger missiles (like SA-11), get FAR out of the way, as if it detonates from proximity detection, the fragmentation field will be quite large and take you out. For the IR's, you should be able to take them out somewhat safely from the maximum range of the vhiker. I think the Avenger (IIR) has something like a 10km range? Ambush it and shoot before it can detect you. Just be sure to have nearby cover available. For manpads, they don't seem to shoot until your about 3km away. Not sure if that is realistic or not. Probably has to do with no detection except their normal vision. Just remember, from what I've read and seen in the sim, the modern IIR's seem to be very flare resistant. A-10C's pretty near the same IMO. Anti-Sam was really made for F-15, etc. with HARM missiles for maximum survivability. Best bet is too send in a SEAD flight ahead of you, if its available. I also agree, the Shark seems to be a little underequiped when it comes to missile detection and defense. While some things are new and nice, others seem down right primitive. Ironically, I think the best SAM in the game is the Igla (SA-18.) You can barely see them even with the Shkval, and realistically, they could hide anywhere in building, ditches, anywhere, and just wait for you to get close. Like silent assassins. Edited September 8, 2013 by Bigby Wolf
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