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MT is definitively an improvement, it needs a little more performances and fine tuning but is on the right path. I figured my rig is a little GPU biased, there is little more to come from my GPU but the CPU could be made to work harder, also the whole package could put less load on our PCs once fine tuned. Good one.

I'm ALL AMD and I don't regret my choice now that I know the source of the issues I encountered. The loss of performance can largely put into Microsoft tally, they mess AMD drivers and in their updates there are settings that prevents the GPU to boost, I lost <> 10% performance after a Windows 11 Update in which you can find settings for the MPO (Multiplace Overlay) causing this to happen. Curiously, the cure is to be find in an app originally designed for Intel GPUs, here: Disabling MPO (Multiplace Overlay) There still is about 2.5% missing in 3DMark Pro scores, at 4k 2X MSAA and the card doesn't boost on its own and it wouldn't O.C and crash with mention "Driver Time out" before I used this app. The CPU has to be O.Ced, which is not an issue since I have very good cooling, the GPU stays cool at temperatures below 80°C and consistently runs those tests with scores above 19.300, in DCS, performances are good despite high settings, it also is undervolted. 62/79 °C at 60FPS, 2823MHz GPU Core, 2662MHz VRAM in DCS MT VR, I got what I paid for but obviously, nobody will say that those cards doesn't explode or burst into flame and cost £450 less than the cheapest 4090 at the time of purchase. Thanks to the geezers who created this app to cure Intel GPU flickering and blackscreens, now I still have to figure where this damned O.S is still holding this card... Oh, I nearly forgot, I still have to find an Intel CPU as efficient as the 5600X...

Still running tests, here is a screenshot of low level flying in the Mirage 2000C, FPS went briefly in the mid-40s in the valley where there is a high number of threes but generally above 50, visual in the side is a little jumpy at time but settings are high. Can be improved. What this shows is my GPU-biased setting, as the CPU doesn't seems to be working as hard, there is room for improvement here, with settings allowing for a better balance between the two, I had Afterburner and AMD Adrenalin screen recording running, GPU is running at 2823MHz vs 2679 MHz "stock" boost frequency, VRAM runs at 2662MHz vs 2500 MHz. So not much room for improvement there, I'm particularly happy with the cooling, I got a new high airflow (94,2 m³/h) Noctua 120mm blowing from the bottom of the case and it works, the temperature stays stable below 80°C. So all in all MT certainly help but if I want a smoother ride, I got to lower settings or find a way to increase CPU usage, perhaps in the next update?

I use a Pico4 and have no such a problem but then again I had some good advises from support. First, I downloaded and use Steam, it is important to know which connection you are using, apps interface can look different, same for O.S, I use Windows 11 Pro. Install/update Streaming Assistant. Install Steam VR and Virtual Desktop from Steam Library. In Steam Library you have the choice for downloading/updating/launching Steam VR and Virtual Desktop, the Beta version of Steam Vr can be chosen by right clicking on the icon and chose property/Betas... Connect your Pico to your PC if you are using USB, make sure Windows detected it. 1) Launch Streaming Assistant, it should give you the option of both Wi-Fi, USB as well as its own settings (mine are all maxed out). 2) Steam VR should launch by itself or you can launch it in both desk Icon or Steam Library. 3) Virtual Desktop can be launched then, from the "Home Room" or Steam Library, in the "Games" page you have the option to chose which game to select, it should show your DCS Icon once selected. 4) You can launch DCS directly from Virtual Desktop, you got confirmation from bitching Betty saying "Launching DCS". >>> I use DCS VR in MT without problems, but there are other issues in particular for AMD users which you'll need to sort out if you want maximum performances from your rig, How Microsoft Mess up your system. If you are a Windows 11/AMD user, you constantly have to look for updates that can mess your settings and even replace your native AMD drivers, this results in a loss of performance of about 10% even for the RX 7900 XT/RX 7900 XTX series, I have partially sorted the issue of performances but not yet the intrusive nature of Automatic Updates. For Info, my 3DMark Pro Scores are now regularly above 19,000, Fire Strike MSAA X 2, that's a recovery of more than 7.5$ in average, the card still wont boost by itself but I can O.C it without crashes and mention (Driver Time Out), it will easily reach its nominal boost frequencies, so there are settings in O.S holding AMD GPUs performances down. Be aware. >>> 1) 2) 3)

I got two different mount which I am very pleased with: For my throttle (TWCS) I use the Thrustmaster TM Flying Clamp - Metal Flight Simulator Mount, it is rigid, easy to assemble, mount and adjust. The Warthog stick is mounted on a Monstertech Joystick / HOTAS Table Mount. Same here, easy to assemble, mount and adjust. All in all I am much more comfortable playing at my desk than when the throttle and stick were on top of my desk, my seat fits between the two, I have room for mouse and keyboard just at the edge of the desk, and I can rest my forearms both sides, my control of the stick is much more precise and I needed it because the Warthog is stiff as hell. I didn't feel the need to upgrade the throttle, action is smooth and precise and it got plenty of buttons that works well plus a slider and a rudder function.

The triggers are already there from the previous updates, I used at least 5 different methods to stop Automatic Update to revive itself it doesn't work, what it does, it delay the process so I have time to clean the temporary files and disable it again. Until someone can find a way to beat this and post it online it's not going to be easy.

I think I posted the link to this site in my intro, the problem is that the more you dig into it, the more Microsoft retaliate with new triggers, so your O.S will not respond to settings and keep downloading updates. The regedit trick doesn't work.

Thanks a lot!

Well if you could share those files it might come handy to some of us...

Just imagine, downloading the latest AMD driver after receiving their email, restarting in Safe Mode, cleaning up the registry using DDU and what do you see? That's right... Time to reboot and he "thing" already downloaded 978.76 MB of files, among which those update triggers and stuff that AMD warned us about, replacing our AMD native drivers by their own. I've had it with them, up to now I was happy disabling Windows update in "Services" but it is not enough, next step, disabling Windows automatic Update in Registry. AMD wasn't jocking when they messaged us through Adrenalin and asked us to check our drivers because Microsoft was replacing them with their own, and there is more than that, in those updates, there is a Multiplane Overlay setting which prevents our GPU to boost and causes the card to crash with mention (Driver Time Out) if you try to do it manually. The solution is here: Disabling MPO (Multiplace Overlay) I'm not advising you to do the same, just passing the info through. Fly like Maine Yaks... .

It doesn't start in VR without Streaming assistant connection as I said. If Steam VR doesn't have support from Streaming assistant it won't detect the headset on its own, you can chose to start it yourself once your headset is "green" with Streaming assistant or wait. I have no clue, my O.S and other settings are fine, you're the one who asked for support and had issues, so you should check yours. One thing for sure, I download both Steam VR and Virtual Desktop from Steam library, I can start Elite Dangerous from both the Room and Steam Library like Steam VR or Virtual desktop, those are my options. For DCS As I explained, I created a shortcut in DCS Beta MT, renamed it before cutting and pasting it on my desktop but it won't start in VR without Virtual Desktop, something I use to watch replays in my screen after logging out, so I added the shortcut to Virtual Desktop game page. The Folder user/XYZ/Saved Games/DCS Open Beta should be renamed Backup. If this still doesn't make sense, ask support, those are their instructions.

True, especially in the case of the M53-P2, but it goes for both engines and on static thrust only the difference should still be favoring the 2000, more to the point, nobody here has accurate flight envelop curves and data for this aircraft as to say precisely at which airspeed it would be in thrust deficit because of high AoA at low speed, I just use common sense here. In any case, what I heared their pilots say isn't what is said by its bashers, quite thy opposite, sure, it haven't been re-engineed like the F-16 but in the case of the C, it retains its low wing loading and relatively high TWR and its best asset is still its instantaneous turn rate. I flew it some time ago in a mission vs 2 X Mig 23 and 2 X Mig 29, if you manage your airspeed by limiting the number of Gs you pull, you can win the fight, which is what I have done and I'm not a genius at this level, fact is, AdlA has certainly asked RAZBAM to nerf its performances a little, because if it is declassified in the case of the C, it is not for the 5F. I'd say the 2000C is a more demanding aircraft to take to its best performances and manage energy at the same time than the F-18/16, but it has its own strength and flown properly will win those fights. Listen to the podcast.

Why don't you ask the French fighter pilots who train with RAZBAM module? According to Ate (Rafale pilot who flew thew 2000) the module drags even more than the real thing... Just think: Empty, their respective TWR is 1.332 vs 0.957, depending on combat weight at the moment of the event I don't see why the 2000 wouldn't out-turn the F-18 at 110 kt, its approach speed is 140 Kts with throttle back/low thrust, so at full A-B it should be able to sustain airspeed lower than 140kt and maneuver at 110Kt. You'll have to figure what was your actual weight at the time of the engagement and if possible at all, that of the F-18, but just to give you an idea, the F-18 carries nearly 1000Kg of internal fuel more than the 2000, and its FCS is lower, so at combat weight as understood at squadron level (2 AAMs 50% internal fuel), the difference is even greater than simple empty weight TWR. Mirage 2000 Mirage 2000 Dassault-Aviation It's not the best part of its flight envelop but it is not slouch either.

Yeah, looks much like Mirage 2000 bashing. His definition of the word stall says it all, in the case of the Mirage, the stall doesn't occur because the boundary layer doesn't depart, it must be spoken of sink speed instead, at which the aircraft will still fly but the drag/thrust ratio will become negative and the vertical speed will follow, and that's not fanboy aerodynamics but Mirage 2000 pilot talk. (Fighter pilot podtcast). Just remind him that the RAZBAM module is used by the Armee de l'Air for training at squadron level, so the notion of the flight model not been as accurate as it can be declassified flies through the window. Another fact: Mirage 2000 pilot doesn't fear the F-18 or F-16, they will win 90% of their engagement on the first few seconds of the fight on instantaneous turn only, and know better than be dragged at high AoA/low speed simply because it is the first thing they learn once assigned to their squadrons. And to put an end to this funny rhetorics, I will mention an extract of Rafale flight testing where it is mentioned that aggressive Rafale pilots flew it in combat vs the 2000 at speed below 20kt, (yes sir, 18 kt to be precise)), and during the DACT vs F-22, the Rafale pilot who didn't come from an air defense squadron (all green at the time) could turn and roll at 80kt. Please talk again about derived and wrongly understood definitions and elaborate on how a delta can do this...

I don't have this problem. First I am using Steam VR Beta and it doesn't start on its own, second once in the Room, I have the option to start Elite Dangerous or Virtual Desktop, since I use my PC for cable connection USB, the option is offered by Streaming Assistant in the first place. Then if it is not ON, Steam VR won't detect the headset and I am not using the Steam version of DCS but Open Beta MT. Not in my case, VR is enabled in DCS but if I used the desktop shortcut only it will start in 2D, Virtual Desktop on its own is not going to do anything as simple as that. I have two DCS desktop Icons, one for 2D one for VR, I used the 2D icon for replays but it is not needed, the VR icon starts in 2D when prompted from the desktop.

I just conducted a RAM kit test on my AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3D to demonstrate how Ram/CPU bounding can affect GPU performances. It's all down to the controller and what load it can manage, if it struggle to manage the amount of data, it will throttle down and reduce the GPU channel bandwidth, it is particularly visible with Ryzen 3/3D CPUs. First, the maximum number of rank is 4, frequency 3200MHz (unless you use B.die/Cl14 which offers a much tighter range of timings, in which case you can set up your RAM to 3600MHz). Second, interleaving (available only with 8GB sticks) can also make a little difference. What I noticed is that the difference between 3200MHz and 3600MHz is negligible, one advantages the CPU scores while to other boosts the GPU score, with the 3600MHz kit you can chose which one you prefer. Using a 4 X 16 GB kit will result in a penalty in performance of <> 24% over the same sticks used in a X 2 configuration. Here are the scores obtained with both 4 X 8 and 2 X 16GB kits: 3DMark Pro Fire Strike Custom 4K 2 X MSAA. Graphics score: 19 666 vs 19 603 Graphics test 1: 97.95 FPS vs 97.41 FPS Graphics test 2: 75.87 FPS vs 75.76 FPS Physics test: 77.16 FPS vs 75.82 FPS Combined score: 51.36 FPS vs 51.16 FPS >>> As you can see for yourself, the best combo is the 4 X 8GB 3600MHz Cl14, GPU settings are the same as above and the card ran stable and cool. Thermal is also a factor, the cooler, the higher the GPU will go in terms of frequency once you set up the maximum frequencies, it will limit itself when it reaches the thermal limit of <> 80/81°C, so room temperature and fan settings will play a role there and can explain some inconsistency in your test results, best case cooling is better. In short if some experience issues with a particular headset, it might not come from the GPU potential performance or its driver.

it appears that AMD drivers are NOT the issue, Microsoft Windows update are. AMD issued a warning through AMD Software asking us to check on our drivers because Mricrosoft updates replaces them with their own (see my signature), some updates contains a Multi-Plane Overlay (MPO) setting that prevents the GPU to boost, and if you try it manually you end up with crashes with mention "Driver Time Out". The solution is to disable Multi-Plane Overlay and Microsoft automatic update before playing, check the signature of your drivers, if necessary use DDU in safe mode to clean GPU Drivers registry and reinstall it. I had the chance to test all AMD drivers for the RX 7900 XTX thanks to a link to a pool of AMD drivers provided by Overclockers who were helping me try to sort performances issues after I lost <> 10% in 3DMark Pro scores, there is no difference in performances between them. Overclockers tested my GPU and didn't find any problem with it. Test results at 4K MSAA X2 were near 20.000 before this "incident" occured, now my GPU reaches 19.629 but I have to O.C it manually, to leave the card enough headroom to boost leaving me to think there still are performances hurdles in O.S. The GPU runs stable and cool (max 81°C at junction recorded under heavy load) in DCS as well, Maximum Frequency is 3050MHz, maximum VRAM Frequency is 2650MHz. The problem is not 100% resolved as I am sure there are other things holding this card in O.S, I saw what it was capable of when I first tested it before the update and know its true potential, I'm sure its issues are not coming from the hardware and perhaps very little from its drivers. I understand that people doesn't have the patience to try to figure out why their RX 7900 XTX doesn't perform as advertised, they didn't experience its true potential, but frankly, I wouldn't swap it for a 3090 or 4080. As for concluding that performances and drivers are at fault it is simply shortsighted, lack of proper information doesn't help, if I didn't pay attention to AMD warning or saw the GPU speed before O.S update I might have come to the same conclusions, I'm happy I didn't. The funny part of this all is that this app was created to sort out NVIDIA drivers issues but works perfect with AMD drivers. See the article below. After updating to NVIDIA Game Ready Driver 461.09 or newer, some desktop apps may flicker or stutter when resizing the window on some PC configurations

Probably because they came to the same conclusion than myself, for the resolution and number of pixels, doubled with the performances of USB 3.2, it is just not needed.

Do you remember that you have all-aspect IR AAMs?