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I should also add... the Cougar's "/U /M / D" functionality is also no longer (again, at least last time I tried!) locked to the dogfight switch. You could map the /UMD functionality to any switch you like. (the 3-way on the side of the left throttle for example). If you only need 2 functions, it'll let you map it to a 2-position switch also. What I'm not sure of since I haven't bought into A-10C / beta is how the auto-recognition plays into things here. I know the default method of using the stick with the new sim is to let A-10C recognize the stick with no TARGET script running. Unless I'm missing something, this would prevent you from using the paddle as a shift / S3 switch (/I /O functionality).

Hi, Tango. Yes, you could do that. With the Cougar, the function you are asking about was only available on one specific button (the button _near_ the pinky switch - "S3" in Cougar-speak). The Warthog's software (at least the incarnations I've used...I haven't tested the very latest yet but I highly doubt they would suddenly change this) allow you to map that function to any button you like. Hope this helps! T

Pardon the off topic...I got forwarded a link to a message which I replied to...didn't realize until after I'd posted this was in the DCSA10 forum. :D Depends on the programming you put on the stick. As I understand it, DCS A-10 will auto-recognize the stick and basically be preprogrammed for it...so I don't know what its response will be. As is, there's nothing requiring you to use the switches according to their labels. I don't think there's even an "APU" switch in FC2. I don't have the APU switch mapped to do anything in my current profile.

The "friction wheel" alongside the throttles is an axis / slider. There is a separate friction control - at the front of the base, on the top, next to the fuel switches.

There's mounting holes in the baseplates for each piece. You could mount them that way. Both baseplates are held on with machine screws. M4 if I'm not mistaken. (If not M4 then either M3.5 or M3). You put screws coming "up" through your mounting surface into the stick's base. Square mounting pattern, holes about 2.4" / 62mm apart (on the "sides" of the square) No need to remove the throttle's plates, really. They add less than an inch to the footprint. Could probably do the same if you wish, however.

Right. That round part is a touch over 4 inches....about 110mm. The trim ring with all the screws in it (right before the gray locking collar on the stick grip) is about the size of the cardboard at the center of a roll of packing tape or duct tape...a bit under 3.5 inches...about 85mm.

Well...I'm gonna try to explain this the best I can...and keep in mind this is all assuming the prod unit matches my beta unit... There are actually two baseplates on the warthog throttle. They have the same footprint which Panther described/measured...plus there's rubber feet on the bottom of the bottom plate. You could remove the bottom plate if you don't want/need the rubber feet, which will drop the unit about...oh...1/4" combined between the height of the rubber feet and the metal plate. Not very precise, but 3/16, 1/4, something like that. (Or if you're metric...call it roughly 6mm). The second plate, if removed, would take another ~ 1/8 / 3mm off the height.

As for me, I've not seen TARGET yet. Being a ball joint, there is no notchiness when transitioning left to right or up to down. The only centering "feel" is literally at the center - where the stick centers itself to when you're not holding on to it. If you're flying and move the stick through that point, you'll know you went through it but it's not a big "kathunk!" If you pull the stick off center at all, you'll be able to move in full circles with no axis notch...much like that video that was shown of the T.16000M stick.

Oh, absolutely. No problem at all (at least throttlewise) to cruise around with one engine in burner and the other shut down. The "idle detents" are actual "button" positions and not just "zero throttle." Thus I have mine programmed so that when I pull a throttle (or both) into the idle cutoff, it/they will shut down. Advance out of cutoff and it/they light up. In case it's not obvious you can also use the 2 throttle axes for two different purposes as well. You could for example use one as an actual throttle and the other as pitch adjust for a variable pitch prop. Or use it for mixture...whatever. For VTB flights since we're flying the F-16, I have FC2 set up for that jet so that one throttle controls both "engines" but when I fly the -15 or -29 or A-10....I definitely use separate throttles.

Anything specific you'd like to know? Obviously I don't know precisely what's going to be done in the box...but I know that what I can program already is pretty impressive and they're only adding more features, not removing...

Just secretly follow her around on her job and sell the footage of her excessive force.

All the cool kids are getting 'em.

The handle is completely different. They are plug swappable, but the actual construction is entirely new. Not so much as a screwhole in the same place as a cougar handle.

...but do take the apostrophes out of MiGs. :music_whistling:

The software won't be an updated Foxy, but it sure looks like it's going to have all the functionality that's needed. As I said over on SHQ, I haven't seen the GUI "T.A.R.G.E.T." software except for what was shown at the media launch event. The software that I've been using for programming is script based. I'm not going to say too much about this, as it has been very much "beta" level, and capabilities evolving frequently. I don't know how whether this specific software will be in the release product, although I fully expect all the functionality (and then some) that I've been working with will be available to everyone, however. My impression is that there will be options in how to program these bad boys - TARGET for fast, easy "get me flying NOW!" programming....and scripting capability (whether or not it's what I've been using) for those who need more complex functionality. By release, I think there should be no problem implementing something like a Jagstang Falcon profile. Put simply - Nutty's been involved with the project from the start. Even if he's not actually writing the software, it's a safe bet that we're not gonna get screwed on software functionality. :D

Plus there's 7 axes worth of halls here. 2 stick, 2 throttle, the microstick and the slider where the real bird's friction lever is are all Hall effect. @Burner: Yeah, I've thought about building a center setup for this as well.

That it is, Nutty. Honestly I was hoping you'd manage to make the E3 event. Would've been nice to meet ya. I've spoken my mind (more at SHQ than here) with no reservation. If people choose to call me a fanboy over that, so be it. Those who end up with these will see that what I've said wasn't empty, flowery praise.

I realize it's a rare thing for a forum thread to stay on topic for a full page, but that's what I was doing. :D

No, I don't. The OP wrote: I was confirming & clarifying that this is not accurate.

I've been flying a Warthog for a few months, and a Cougar for 5-6 years. I'm basing this post on the current pre-production unit and the expectation that there are no big changes (and possibly no changes at all, hardware-wise) between what I have and the final product. The HOTAS Warthog, as it stands today, has no provision for using that throttle by itself. The Warthog throttle and stick each have their own brain, each plugs into the computer via its own USB connector, and each shows as an individual controller in Windows Control Panel (scripting / TARGET software notwithstanding). To confirm Feurfalke's thoughts above, there are no other connectors at this time, and I'm under the impression that will not be changing. The Cougar throttle plugs into the Cougar joystick unit via a 15 pin connector that is like a VGA connector (shaped like a 9 pin serial, but it's a 15 pin connector). While it is theoretically possible someone could build an adapter to allow you to use the Cougar's throttle without a Cougar stick, I don't believe any such device exists today. If such a device were available, it would not allow you to use Foxy or probably any other currently existing software because the Cougar's brains are entirely within the main stick base. When you write a script for the Cougar, it gets downloaded into the stick base. Word is when the Warthog is released, you'd be able to program the Cougar functionality with the new software, but to use that throttle will require the main stick. I'd strongly recommend not buying the throttle from that auction unless you have a Cougar stick already.

Yeah, coming in unloaded enough to plant the nose before the mains is detrimental to the life of the airframe.

You haven't seen my DEUCES-II porta-pit. :D

It really helps to have the stick mounted lower - down near lap - level. If you're flying with the sticks up at shoulder height...that can get tough. Although it was a little odd when we flew the demo in the SCS pits at the Warthog launch event. I'm used to flying with the stick off to my right (F-16 position) and a bit higher than they were.