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Try to disable FF effect and compare things.

Saitek Evo Force. In other warbirds everything is ok - joystick neutral, stick in cocpit neutral, elevator neutral. Only Spitfire is different.

I got question about elevator control linked with stick in cocpit and joystick position. Without FF joystick i noticed that if joystick is in center (neutral), stick in cocpit is in center ( control zone window) but elevator surface (steer surface) is little in down position ( behind center axis) which casue to fly Spitfire more level. It looks that stick in cocpit in neutral casue elevator surface little down postion. No need full trim nose down to level flight. Much easier to fly without constant push stick to level flight. If i turn ON Force Feedback on stick i noticed that joystick is in neutral ( center), stick in cocpit is little aft postion ( below center in control zone window with axis) and elevator surface is in neutral (center) position. Plane now need full trim nose down to fly more level flight but still required constant push stick - not possible to trim for level flight. Whats is reason of these? In real Spitfire stick in neutral casue elevator in little down position?

Ok thanks for help pointing the problem. I try to find out what is the suorce of these issue. I find some things: - with FF OFF or any other stick without FF , joystick is in the center, stick in cocpit according to game axis window is in center - but looking from outside elevator control in SPitfire is little down position ( below neutralized) which mean that plane with controls in center got elevator little down causing level flight - with FF ON, joystick in center, stick in cocpit according to axis control window is little aft postion - elevator surface is in neutral position - these casue that plane with joystick in center huge nose up momentum. It looks like that flying with stick without FF ( or with FF diseabled ) is much easier casue joystick in center means that you got elevator little down postion and straight flying without huge nose up momentum.

Hmm he got Saitek Evo Force? Casue what others write here with Microsoft FFB2 they experience similar but they just make swap axis and stick back to neutral. In my case swap axis doesnt change anything - still stick in cocpit is little aft - not centered. Other WW2 DCS planes like P-51, K-4 and D-9 are ok for me with FF ON - stick is centered as joystick. Only SPitfire is different.

Well if you fly real plane ( if You fly any) and if You get stick in center neutral postion it mean that Your controls are neutral. These it the point. It should be work the same with our joystick center position - controls neutral. There is no possible to fly correctly in Spit with FF casue You need make not willed full trimm nose down to fly straight which casue much more drag. Then You fly with stick little aft causing nose up momentum compesated by full trim nose down. These is absurd. Without FF You need just only some degree trim nose down to fly straight at the same power settings - much less drag and more controlablity of plane. All these planes P-51, K-4, D-9 etc got more elevator up movement then downside - so all of them got angular movement not OLNY Spitfire IX Ex. P-51 The tail section control surfaces are limited to the following angular movements: elevator: +30°/-20°. K-4 - up - 27 , down - 24 deg All other WW2 planes in DCS got center for stick in cocpit alligned with center ( neutrum) of joystick with FF and without. Only Spitfire got aft position not centered so it is obviously bug.

I understand that elevator travel is not the same up and down. But or it should be the case for all joysticks or for any. IF i disable FF my joystick got the same center postion as stick in cocpit. With FF enabled stick in cocpit is little aft postion when joystick is in center postion - these casue in SPitfire huge nose up moment. IT is nonsense to fly in such way casue you have to trim maximum nose down to fly straight. When You got joystick without FF or disable FF everything is ok. For me it is bug otherwise all joysticks ( with FF or without it) should work in such way that center in joystick is not the same like stick in cocpit. Now to fly correctly in SPitfire i have to DISABLE FORCE FEEDBACK. Swap axis doesnt change situation.

P-51 Force Feedback ON vs SPitfire IX Force Feedback ON - Joystick in neutral position (center)

Well in other DCS WW2 planes it work correctly. With FF ON P-51, D-9 or K-4 got stick ( in cocpit) at center position alligned with joystick - no problem everyhing work as it should. Dunno why in SPitfire joystick is in center position but stick in cocpit is not ( is below center causing nose up). Trim work correctly in Spitfire ( with FF or without it) but it doesn't change stick position in cocpit but only trim flap on elevator surface like it should. There is nonsesne to fly with not centered stick and full trim nose down to fly straight. It is obviously bug which affect only SPitfire MKIX. When FF is disabled stick and joystick is alligned in center position.

Could someone check and report these bug? Casue flying in SPitfire IX with FF actually for me is nonsense.

Thx guys but it doesn't change anything for me. Still stick in cocpit is below center position.

Question for FFB flyuers. With FF effect ON trim work as it should? I found with my Evo Force that with FF ON trim is simulated in cocpit - hat on stick work and stick is moveable but very slowly. Horizontal stabilizer doesnt change postion at all ( external view). When i disable FF effect - trim work as it should - hat on stick is move, stick in cocpit is move quite fast and horizontal stabilizer change postion. Still when i fly with FF ON plane fly much smoother and stabiled then with FF OFF and working trim

I got similar problem but it depend if Force Feedback is ON or OFF. With FF ON trim work only on game stick ( hat is moving and change very slowly stick position ) but horizontal stabilazer doesn't change position at all. With FF OFF trim work as should - game stick and horizontal stabilizer move up and down as it should. Strangly i found that with FF ON F-86 fly much stable for me, keep better energy, less oscilation. Much better plane to fly even without correct trim working. When i disable FF plane fly much worse, less stable, much more energy bleeding, like i was flying different plane even if trim work as should

So it seemed that bug exist not only for my Evo but also for FF Sidewinder2. Tried these solution but it doesnt help for me - still center of stick is atf postion.

I found that with Force Feedback enabled ( Saitek Evo Force) SPitfire MKIX is only plane which got bug with center of stick which is little aft position. These casue nose up tendency which could be dumped only by push stick or full trim nose down which is bad idea. When FF is disabled stick back to center postion and everything is ok. All other WW2 fighter planes ( P-51, 109 and D-9) dont have such issue and both with FF enabled and disabled stick is in center position always. Only SPitfire is affected by these bug which casue big issue with flying FF enabled settings. Here are screenshots with FF enabled and disabled in SPitfire ( joystick is free)