Dagger71

Are you reeally this stubborn that you will even argue the meaning of English words. Are you serious now?? Please tell me the english definition of generate. YES an AC electrical generator , is a producer of AC electricity! A portable electrical generator is a portable electricity producer!! A diesel powered generator produces/creates/makes electricity!! They all PRODUCE electricity!! That is BY the very definition of the word generator!!! So this is where we are, some guys who speak english as second language schooling the rest of us on the english language. This misunderstanding of the english language is at the very essence of this entire discussion. It is plain to see! I'm bowing out of this ridiculous argument!

Thank you for the moment of sanity!!!

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=69610 Here's a link to the HOTAS layout I use that uses the term Set SPI. Use this one as its the best single page layout for the WH hotas (I'm still using the same one from 6 years ago) I don't have anything else to say about this other than changing it to "Set SPI Generator" is the most confusing term we can possibly use.

There is an old hoggit post written by an actual A10C pilot. He mentions suite 8 has a lot of upgrades. Including Last Mark SPI: "Same as making default SPI (STPT SPI) or TGP LOS SPI. Except it is simply your last mark taken. No copy LSK required."

Do you know the definition of the word generate????? It is create/make/produce!!! So I don't have a problem with the wording "generate SPI" because in plain english, it means "create SPI". I'm glad you finally understand what I was saying!!! But to say TMS fwd long is "set spi generator" leads to much confusion. I'll accept it as set spi, generate SPI, make SPI I won't respond to the rest of your condescending remarks, because the US Airforce manual is very clear on what is a SPI therefore I don't need you to continue to explain how your definition supersedes the US Airforce documentation on the subject. you may contact the US DoD to bring up your grievances to them. In the meantime, I'll stick with reality

No that not at all how I explained it. When you make SPI with any of the slewable sensors, it will get updated as you move it. I have said this many times and even you know this to be true. TGP Mav HUD are all output devices that the CDU uses to generate ( which means create) the SPI. You all need to understand what happens. There is massive confusion when there shouldn't be.

That is the EXACT definition as set out by the flight manual. Because you all seem to have a very hard time understanding this fact does not mean it is untrue. The reason you are all confused and the use of irrelevant terms seems to make sense right now. "A SPI is a 3D point in space that the systems use as a shared reference location to cue weapons, aim sensors and send over the datalink."

What do you mean by As for the "snapshot theory," It is a point in 3D space that continuously gets updated./ I've repeated that over and over. That is how it works!!! Why couldn't it NOT work over DL???? Of course it can. not sure how someone misses the point that the SPI is constantly updated when he can slew it. It's all about the trainers... if they do a piss poor training, using unknown terms and filling the trainee's head with nonsense, then it will be difficult.

Hahahah! Now you are adding your own terms in the manual ??? But you are there! re-read this slowly: As the TGP crosshairs are slewed/, the SPI slews along with it. the SPI slews along with it. the SPI slews along with it. the SPI slews along with it. "A SPI is a 3D point in space that the systems use as a shared reference location to cue weapons, aim sensors and send over the datalink. Once a sensor has been set as the Sensor Of Interest (SOI), the sensor may designate the SPI." I have no problem calling the TGP SPI when it is the generator. But as I have posted several times. When you do TMS FORWARD LONG, it is a snapshot of the output of the sensor that gets saved and a 3d point is created. As you slew the SOI, the Sensor point of interest moves with it and gets updated at a refresh interval.

That is not what it says. under Mav: "set sensor as SPI" function is selected, the line of sight point to the ground marks the SPI using TMS Forward Long. TGP when the TGP is SOI and the "set sensor as SPI" function is selected, the line of sight point at ground intersection marks the SPI with a TMS Forward Long. In every instance of creating a SPI it will always be a point in 3D space. Re-read the definition again at top of page 400.

no need to trade insults, but I think it is you that might be too lazy to show me where it says "SET SPI SENSOR DESIGNATOR" Its the exact term I asked for. And actually I am the one that sent you to that page in the manual. It does say SPI Sensor Designators:MAV, TGP, HUD and TAD and "Set sensor as SPI",which I already said I am fine with.

I don't have too much of a problem with the term SPI Generator even though it's not used IRL or found anywhere but on ED forums. But I am against changing the command Make SPI to Set SPI Generator. It's has two different meanings and really is not something I would ever teach anyone.

No I asked where did you get the term "Set SPI Sensor Designator. "

Makes SPI from the current SOI.

Please tell me you aren't seriously asking this question after all the explanation I have gone through. It is a point in 3D space that is represented by a cue. It can be generated (which is a synonym of make/create) by a Sensor LOS like the TGP or Mav. As you slew, the point gets updated. It is NOT the Sensor but can defined by the sensor. PLEASE tell me you understand this!!!

I think this sentence right here perfectly describes the tone for this ridiculous argument.

YA I have no problem with "Set Sensor as SPI" it explains that the TGP LOS is the SPI. But where did you get "Set SPI sensor designator."??? I don't find this term in the manual either. It is again a very awkward term, even worse than Set SPI Generator.

Well that is quite different from the extremely confusing "Set SPI Generator"

If anyone is having an issue with making SPI you can send them my way. The MP server I play on has some of the best A10C pilots in game. Some with real world experience as well. I'll explain the entire SPI making process in less than 5 mins on discord while in plane. there is absolutely no reason to change the official wording because some people don't understand what is actually happening when the commands are given.

I strongly recommend anyone confused to look at pages 400-401 in the DCS manual. It gives a GREAT description and even has a nice table with the 4 SOIs and their definable SPIs

??????? Who's the SME that used the term "Set SPI Generator"? I don't see it.

The DCS manual does state further Set Sensor as SPI - this function allows the TGP, TAD, Maverick or HUD to define the SPI I have no problem with this wording either. Think of TMS Forward Long as "Make" Sensor SPI.

I asked what SME used the term Set SPI Generator. Make SPI is used in the airforce manual and is described in detail what happens when you make a SPI. Maybe its time to update the A10C manual with a bit more explanation of creating a SPI

Please tell me the source of the SMEs who worked on the A10C and used the term Set SPI Generator. Like I mentioned I've had this module for almost 10 years and yet only heard of this term this week. It does not appears in a single cheat sheet or in any download file ever made for A10C . I do not believe you when you say this term is used anywhere else but in the lexicon of non native english speakers (but of course there are always exceptions). The aiforce manual, as stated before,CLEARLY describes the TMS Forward LONG action as creating/making a SPI through a SOI. It further explains making a SPI using 3 other commands. Just because you disagree with the US Airforce does not make you or anyone else who disagrees with them as right.

I sincerely hope that ED keeps the original wording of the English documentation. I actually did not ever hear the use of the term "SPI generator" until this post got started. It appears nowhere in any checklist, cheat sheet, kneeboard or key/HOTAS assignment that I have ever downloaded in the past 10 years. I would be a huge disservice to start changing manuals with terms that are not even used IRL because some non native English speakers are using this term. I know that being German you will continue to have the last word, but for something this fundamental that really should not even be considered.