I completely agree with you sir! your point on flight model is spot on and another poster's comment about the maps being too small is another fact that illustrates some incompatibility. I SOOO agree that there should be a new civ flight sim , i completely understand that the market would improve FOR dcs, now I just want to ask a simple question without being flamed for my opinion. I believe that this could be a reality if these flamers could respect the game. I cannot tell you how many times i have gone to servers that only teamkill and shootdown newcomers. This in my opinion will only cause problems for people who just want to fly. There was this kid playing with tigerteam fsx that was flying a really long flight and it was his first time he had his calculations correct and it was only to get shot down by some shill on final. This kid was crying man. i felt bad as hell for him but there was nothing i could do. Im sorry if my opinion hurts fxs ppl but I firmly believe that combat and civ should be separate. good post david