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That´s what I though. I have seen videos of Leatherneck´s Mig-21 suffering compressor stall and flame out after spinning, but I suppose that right now Belsimsek´s F-5E is not as realistic as Leatherneck´s Mig-21

It makes sense, engine don´t flame out if full afterburner is engaged. But engines should flame out if throttles are in MIL or less at very high altitud and low KIAS, I suppose. Flame outs and compressor stalls are not simulated in this plane right now, true?

Does the two engines work at that altitud? Phantom´s J-79 works over 60.000 ft. according a former spanish F-4C pilot I asked about time ago, but I think F-5E´s engines should flameout. Probably flameouts aren´t simulated in Belsimtek´s F-5E, isn´t it?

No. I think can´t fly over 52.000 or 54.000 Ft.

Yes, more realism and inmersion is always welcome. My personal request is a functional transponder, even simplified, and over all, compressor stalls and flameouts. :thumbup:

Is it useful in DCS World? How could you use it? Thanks in advance for the answer.

Yes, the counter mach is quite useless as it is right now.

Thank you very much.

Exactly my point. Thanks.

Dear mafuasu, the best addons for FSX, P3D or Xplane, not arcade versions but hardcore simulations, includes "operating data", ready combinations for different loadouts and fuel. For example, I´m now reading the manual of A2A´s L-049 Constellation and it includes four pages of operating data. Elementary? Well, yes, but really useful for a home simulator. Think that most of the people have jobs, family, friends, and can´t spend several hours planning a fly, like real-life pilots, every time they want to enjoy the simulator.

Thanks, mate. I´m starting to think that most people here actually works for Belsimsek and don´t want to do the tedious work of completing the manual :lol:

My dear Zooker, have you considered that DCS is not a profesional simulation, but a home simulation? Have you ever considered that is a simulation? Belsimtek´s F-5E "flyes" in a simulated environment, not into the real atmosphere, as the real F-5E. If you think that Belsimsek´s F-5E "flys" like Nortroph´s F-5E, I´m afraid you are in a mistake. Yes, even being spanish and english my second language, and even not being a trained pilot, I have read the real world manuals. If you understand those low resolution charts and calculate drag indexes and stuff every time you make a mision in the editor, congratulations. But I suspect that most of the people that says that uses those real-life manuals like real pilots, calculate drag indexes according the weight every fly, because they are hardcore simmers or something, and etcetera, when they fly, actually just use only two throttle positions: full and afterburner, as arcade players, and that´s because they don´t ask for performance charts: they don´t need them! :harhar:

No, I think getting nice and clean performance charts for Belsimtek´s F-5E is difficult, so I´m asking belsimsek to do some for his costumers, because I think that to do some nice and clean charts is easy for Belsimtek since they know the data of performance of his simulated F-5E like no one in the world. So, us, the costumers, most of us not trained pilots, would not need to try to decipher real-life charts made for trained pilots. I know my english is not the best, because I´m from Spain, but I think I´m making my point pretty clear. :thumbup:

Well, congratulations. But if Belsimsek at some point releases performance charts for the F-5E, you don´t have to use them. You can continue using that low resolution charts that you have find somewere in internet and trying to figure out for yourself what is that "drag index" and how it can be useful in a simulated environmet. You know that, don't you? But you can understand that some simmers prefer nice and clear charts and data, don´t you?

Because, dear Probad, DCS is a home simulation, I´m not a trained pilot and I should not have to deal with really complex graphics in low resolution from real-life manuals written for trained pilots, mathematical calculus of drag indexes and so on. Because other simulation software developers provide performance charts for their products as a basics. Because this software is really complex to use, and many people do not buy it precisely for that, so if Belsimtek makes life easy for its customers, they will probably sell more.

I just don't understand why a company does the hard work, to create the simulated airplane, and fails to do the easy work, to provide the customers, most of us not trained pilots, ALL useful information about how to fly the plane and fight with the plane. For example, most payware addons for FSX or P3D include performance charts in manuals. I don´t know why Belsimtek does not includes that kind of information in the F-5E. Also I don't understand why there isn´t a good flight planner in DCS Word, but that´s another story. :ermm:

Thank you very much, my friend, but this is just what I do not want. I do not want to have to decipher a bunch of strange graphics in low resolution and then to do a lot of arithmetic operations to calculate drag indexes and other things that are applicable in real life but probably not in a home simulation. I just want to know, for example, a good speed and angle of ascent if my plane weighs between 16,000 and 20,000 lbs, or which cruising speed is recommended if I fly at 30,000 ft. with two external deposits, and what approximate range I can expect. Basic data like that. I think Belsimtek should provide basic tables or charts with that kind of information adapted to the simulator. After all, our planes do not fly in the actual atmosphere subjected to real physics, and I doubt that those tables in the actual airplane manual really apply and most of us are not trained pilots and don´t have to know about calculate drag indexes and stuff.

Is Belsimtek going to release some performance charts for the F-5E-3? I know it is possible to download the annex of the TO.1f5-e1 real-life Flight Manual, but: 1º Those real-life charts are really difficult to read and understand for a non trained pilot, and far too complex for simulation purposes. 2º Those charts are for the F-5E-1 model with smaller LERX and different nose, and for real life. I don´t think can be really applied for the simulator. It would really nice if Belsimsek could add to the Flight Manual an annex with some nice and clear charts regarding climb speeds and angles, cruise speeds, fuel consume, flight range, etc. at full and military thrust for some typical weights and loads, altitudes, etc. It is really difficult fo create a proper flight plan without that kind of basic data. Also, some basic energy manegement charts for this simulated plane and some weapons charts would be great. Come on, Belsimsek, you are a serious company, don´t wait other people do the job for you: you should provide that kind of basic information with your product since day one of release, not just wait that your pay customers do their own charts or lose a lot of time searching internet for real life-manuals that barely understand and could or could not be useful for this simulated plane. Just saying :music_whistling: PD. Would be nice too if you could simulate flameouts and compressor stalls since the flight manual says that are possible under certain circunstances. :thumbup:

Do you have track IR? F7 key does not work for me if I use my Track IR and can't contact the AWACS

I know well this Mirage F1, and yes, it is not the same at all. You can't compare an old freeware, amateur and basic simulation for FS2004 ported to FSX with the F-104 of SSW, that has the real sistems of the plane simulated in a 99% and i's own flight physics. Again, I´m not saying "You must leave DCS" or "FSX is better than DCS." I´m saying there is no good simulation of the Mirage F1 for any simulator, but there is a superb simulation of the F-104 that entusiast of this plane can fly now (if they want, of course). I thought that those people that are saying they love the F-104 and would buy this aiplane in pre-release would thank this information, if they are trully fans of the "Zipper" :music_whistling: And yes, you can make realistic military flights with this plane

Hey, I´m not saying at all "leave DCS and got to FSX". I´m just saying that for you people who are entusiast of the F-104, there is a superb simulation in FSX you can fly right now. Also, I´m sure most of the simmers (me, for example) are users of two or more simulators.

To all of you, enthusiast of the F-104, you can fly a superb Starfighter in FSX. You can buy now really cheap FSX Steam Edition, and you can buy the F/RF-104G or the F-104S made by "Sim Skunk Works", italian modelers. All, for the price of only a module of DCS. You can fly those airplanes "by the books", weapons are funcional, and can fight online thru Steam. I'm not doing marketing of those products, I´m not related with Microsoft or Sim Skunk Works. I´m just saying that there are already amazing simulations of the F-104.

If you don´t do a Mirage F1, please, the RF-4 (with sidewinders, as the spanish) or the F-4C, as the ones that served in Torrejon. But I still prefer the "abuela", even the old F1-C, not updated version.

I was tracking this project in spanish simulation forums even before AVIODEV as company was created. If I´m not in a wrong, the original project was to create a mod of the Mirage F1 for FC2. They have at least a dozen of renders of the Mirage F1 and even a video in their Facebook profile, some more renders of the F-5B, and NONE of the F-104 or other airplanes, except, of course, the C-101. As I said, I think it is not a crazy assumption to think they would develop the "Abuela" or the "bicicleta" (their nicknames in the Ejercito del Aire) next. I have a rule: not to buy planes in beta. I have broken my own rule because I´m spanish and I wanted to support a spanish developer, and because I´m very interested in the mirage F-1, the plane I have seen flying over my head every day since I was a kid. If not, I would waited until the C-101 is 100% finished and I would bought it in one of those crazy amazing discounts DCS makes every three or four months ¿Now they imply that they will do the F-104 instead? It´s OK, but won´t buy it.

Next project a F-104G? I would be very disappointed. The main reason I bought the C-101 instead the Hawk is to support the AVIODEV because it was my understanding that your next project would be the Mirage F1, the plane I´m really waiting for. Or at least the F-5B. You have a lot of renders of Mirage F-1 and F-5B in your account of Facebook and none of the F-104 or other planes, so, I think that was a a reasonable assumption. I wouldn't buy the F-104, sorry. There is an amazing F-104G for FSX (SSW), but there isn´t a good simulation of the "abuela" for any simulator.