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IF the case is they are doing mirage 3's specific for the Falklands. then that means Mirage 3EA is possible, and should be the most likely variant, as those were the Mirage 3's Aregentina had in biggest quantity anyways. Id be very pleased that it would be the Mirage 3E derivative as opposed to the earlier planned Isreali Mirage 3CJ for six day war scenario since the 3E has a multi mode pulse doppler radar, and thus is more versatile as a fighter bomber compared to the Mirage 3C series.

I think only an F14D that can be interpreted (at least as of now) "completely" off the table for lacking data on FCS and AN/APG71 integration. with the B it was just some blanks on a few PTID menu options.

The walleye is an older generation guided munition. It aught to have lower resolution and more grainy imagery.

The above is just a transcript of a Appropriations committee for the fiscal year 1975. They said it was considered because it could be done with little modification by to quote the very same source from just paragragh lower " not planned to use" and is also mentioned Aim7E2 was not in production since 1971, and that there was no point as from henceforth the Aim7F was expected to enter production and be the new primary missile. Ultimately It never did, as F15A -34 shows only Aim7F at earliest is authorized. Therefore if F15A isn't using Aim7E2 ( let vanilla Aim7E) then surely an F15C post MSIP 2 a isn't using any of those neither.

because not all USMC F/A18C's are C+ a typical "vanilla" USMC F/A18C is just a USN hand me down and thus still have the CRT DDI. AS we all know the only reason they included the lightening because it did not have to involve any other avionics changes for the USMC version, and the fact they could include a TGP faster for the short term if they re used the same one on use on the A10C, as opposed to developing an entirely new one, and making everyone wait much longer to use the ATFLIR.

I havent played the FC3 in some time., but i noticed the F15C got Aim7E added recently? Why does a F15C MSIP 2 have a Vietnam era AIm7E when not only did the F15A enter operational use in 1976 but even the F15A documentation such as the manuals themselves does not reference and earlier sparrow type than the Aim7F, let alone the F15C

yea it also seems the new A10C' remastered cockpit despite improved textures is also darker

I noticed the cockpits was re textured last OB patch and in the latest Stable build patch and seems to have a darker toner overall. I liked the old graphite-ish look better as opposed to the current all out black, especially as most photos it doesn't look quite as dark as the current updated cockpit does.

From within block 1 is still plausible to wish for. Maybe even a early block 2 ( IE lot 26) Lots of core avionics and software commonality with a late lot legacy like we have in DCS along with carrying over the same post production upgrades it has. especially since the aforementioned models did not have AESA radars yet. That being said perhaps so a potential Super Bug offers some extra incentives over a legacy hornet the 2 seat F/A18F model could be considered as well. Sure the Cat offers 2 seat Coop experience opportunity with other virtual pilots for naval aviation, but is a analog experience. The F/A18F could be Digital cockpit naval aircraft 2 player experience to the Legacy. For those who don't care about 2 seat, it wouldnt be a big issue, as the F/A18F could still be piloted by a single operator as successfully as one can operate a single seat Super Bug or Legacy. Whears in the tomcat the RIO is crucial position, in the Rhino the second person filling WSO is mostly there for reducing workload burdens.

I know but i was only referring to versions that the US operates and thier manuverability not about avionics advances. You miss the point. My question was about considering that the reason why Block 30 may have well had superior turn rate relative to block 40 and 50 at some point was lesser weight with nearly as powerful engine back in the day. If you consider weaker engine and avionics enhancements ( and related weight gain) made to block 30 since 80s, is itreally still a better dogfighter than the block 40 let alone the block 50 post CCIP within 21st century? I have doubts it would be.

what about now? BLock 30 have had avionics upgrades in the 2000s and today are very comparable with its systems to CCIP Block 40/50's. ID imagine with the weight gain made that would otherwise make the block 50 the best performing F16 from the 3 due to better engines.

Im sure if you could get in modernized flanker or fulcum variants those would sell, especially when there is now an over-saturation of US aircraft from the 4th gen. Even if they still wouldn't necessarily offer tech parity. But as we know such variants aren't possible for the foreseeable future. Ultimately that's CHIZH's opinion, not necessarily the entirely of ED( though it could be?) . I live in a Western country, and have bought cold war soviet classics like the Mig15 and Mig21. IM certainly not the only one who has or who would show interest in a modern Russian gen 4 outside of any Eastern European countries. ED can develop only so many Teen fighters until they are forced to go to an earlier time period or start developing non US originated aircraft.

The tech disparity between the F15 Eagle and Su27 Is not even remotely close to being as drastic as your analogy, especially when the Flanker has its unique sets of avionics and weapons that when utilized with the right tactics still make it competitive. Obsession with exact balance is only relevant for those only interested for 16 vs 16 air quake type servers for 1 vs 1 dogfights. But frankly if anything i would find it boring fighting apples with apples. ( IE an aircraft adversary that was exactly like the eagle) F14 vs A6M2 Zero would be a more comparable aviation analogy to a bazooka Camaro vs Romans.

Yea would be nice wouldn't it? But its about as likely to happen as an F/A18F block 3

Actually it was also but mostly because the F14's main reason of existence ceased to exist ( Fleet defense), and they needed a new job for it to justify its service. But that wasn't the point of my post, of RL reasons, but to point out that irregardless of any real life ( perceived or otherwise) reason for it, the F14 is more versatile in roles due to presence of precision strike capability purely from consumerist POV of what the module offers. But sure the F15 has a radar is that better in every regard minus max detection range setting. and AMRAAM capacity. ( if going for post MSIP 2) along with better pilot - vehicle interface especially with the MSIP 2. That being said the F15A and C do have unguided bombing capability ( and some guidance in the form of EO bomb) that have simply remained dormant in USAF use, but otherwise an existing, documented and tested capability. Israel has utilized the AS eagles existing capabilities a bombing role in the past, and in present even modded them to include JDAM's.

Or the profit angle that a Teen fighter with a "glass cockpit" and other bells and whistles could sell better.

because we all know we shouldn't expect to see an F35 or F22 full fidelity module for a very long time. Maybe if ED is still around by the time anyone having a child now, that will then be in adulthood graduating from post secondary studies when those "may" be possible :D so so called "second rate" aircraft close to the end of thier life cycle with post production modernization packages from the 21st century is the next best thing. Although personally the F15C with AESA isn't really second rate when most "neer peer" adversaries still predominantly have gen 4 fleets with gen 4.5 and very few gen 5. Until Gen 5's become more mainstream with foreign operators, an F15C will continue to have relevancy. At the time of the Raptors introduction, it was the only stealth fighter in the world. The reason they are still in service and expect to be in service for many years to come is because there simply arent enough "1st rate" F22's to replace them in Air superiority. 180 something Raptors as awesome as they are aren't enough to fufill America's needs. Unlike the F35 which will have enough units produced to eventually replace entire F16 fleet in active duty service, as they are only being handed down and expected to remain in ANG only. As another theory based on some observation Its a generational thing. Depending on what age group people belong too they seem to be interested in aircraft, that they grew up with. AS a generalization ( since obviously people play varying eras or only into era's they they were not alive in) , Boomers seem to like thier gen 3 aircraft like phantoms or early gen 4 like the Tomcats. Gen X seem to like Gen 4 circa gulf war- post gulf war circa Yugoslavia, Millennials, seem to be into Gen 4 from GWOT - present.

whats what they said, but if you read that comment, its quite contradictory to the official statement. it would seem it would still be possible for a Russian company to at least do a cold war vintage type Gen 4 like Mig29A, or Su27S in spite what ED said.

And thats what the F15 needs to have its main advantage. So a less mature radar but F15A does also have a higher T/W. Being so obsessed with radars, by that line of thinking there is no point to flying a smaller lighter weight fighters, since they all have smaller radars than large fighters, because by your logic there is no point to flying any aircraft if you are at greater disadvantage until a merge.. Su27S has enough dissimilar advantages with the appropriate tactics, And you ignore other things how the F15C is more historically relevant, and has much vaster service life. Flanker isn't the only aircraft in game, and its not just about 1 vs 1 against a type of aircraft. If you are so obsessed with "balance" you have servers to limit munitions, and if that is still not enough that other games that take that above all else. FC3 is in facts great analogy of these two dissimilar aircraft. The Su27S is still very competitive, has unique medium missiles, just use different tactics, stop trying to fly it like an F15 if you know you don't have as good BVR capabilities, due to less advanced radar, between those two. If it was a full fidelity module GCI data linking would work, and a further advantage to the Su27 would be a working IRST, giving an ability to visually IFF a target in BVR. Now with to also mention With J11A, has R77's, and now the JEFF to fill the lightweight multi role. SO i really am tired of whining and spin tactics from the redforce community about how Flankers are unable to compete or how they don't have anything remotely like viper or Hornet, or now how Bluforce should only get the earliest and least mature of Gen 4, because "muh inferior radars"

Considering how the Hawk turned out and the fiasco that was the P40, its probably better in the end that EF didn't come into fruition.

What about for those who already own FC3. Surely you cant just expect ED to delete aircraft from the DCS environment that people have already bought an paid for or would want to continue to fly in. IMO FC3 and DCS should still be compatible without one another than being entirely separate. And yea the Mig23MLA will be intresting to fly, will be even better when it has an F4E and perhaps a Mirage F1 to tango with ;)

you have a point, but to an extent you can already have older school dogfights by simply restricting fox 3 on various aircraft on missions or for MP and limiting them to just Fox 1 and 2. F15C post MSIP 2 doesn't actually have an excess of computers or overly modern avionics either relative to a Hornet or Viper. Its got a single multi function display and its mostly just used for displaying Armament page and BIt test results. F15C otherwise still has plently of analog gauges, nor is the aircraft FBW. The F15C doesn't really get more use for that MFD until 21st century with the integration of Link 16 and having an HSD type page added with it.

and? the Agp63 is superior to the F14's AWG9 apart from max range. F14B with its additional thrust is very competitive as it also has other means to offset F15's advantages ( such as AIm54) in spite of its inferior radar However the point it the aircraft has other advantages that can offset another. The Least an F15 could have against a flanker would be additional radar superiority, to justify its BVR expertise, since otherwise as mentioned the Flanker already has HOBS advantage in WVR as well as datalinking capabilities. Something the Eagle didn't get until 21st century. IN practice however judding by FC3 the F15's radar isn't going to a disparative advantage . Radar on its own isn't everything. Aim120 is the biggest difference maker. a Fox 1 limited F15C against a Flanker is a very close matchup and a balanced one at that since you seem to be so fixated whats "fair and balanced". Overall "balancing" with munitions should be a choice left to the mission designer and not forced by the developers. F15C or bust

Interesting thanks for sharing. I had not seen this one before

Not unless ED include it ;) After all the capbilty to utilize A/G was alwasy there, just laying dormant..... at least only in USAF operated eagles. Isreali operated eagles on the other hand used the F15 to its fullest capabilities on a few occasions If you can find i suggest a lookie on some F15A/C manuals. CCIP/ CCRIP bombing modes operation is documented. MK80 series bomb family compatible, and even electro optical GBu8 bomb is an option. APG63 even has some A/G functionality which includes A/G ranging, Pulse mapping, and post PSP upgrade includes improved Doppler beam sharpening mode for better ( or rather finally meaningfull) map resolution as well as GMTI modes to detect ground moving vehicles.