Gizmo03
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But that's what i mean when i ask "what if they don't find an agreement at all?" They either have to focus on other platforms or to shut down the business. But anyway i cannot imagine that they will continue developing DCS content without payment. Additionally he now said he will not release the source code to anyone else. And if they don't continue (in the worst case) and they will not give the source code to anyone else - what will be the result? And i think no one is willing to keep working unpaid for 18 months. That's why they stopped working already 12 months ago, or did i miss some updates to their modules?
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Because they don't get paid?? Taking off the modules from the stores is not a step in the direction to stay. I would appreciate if they find an agreement. But what if not at all, or the solution is not to their favor? By taking off their products from the store?? Yes i know - it seems like they don't receive the money from the sold modules at the moment but if they find an agreement they should get it afterwards. But anyway..... we will see what happens.....
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Ah come on. You know exactly what i've meant. It's only STILL available because it takes more time to remove it from the steam store. "Our development pipeline, including all source code has never been - and will never be - released to any distributor or third party." Maybe i'm wrong but this sentence means exactly that he's not willing to give / sell the source code to any other developer in order to keep the modules in the game in case they will leave DCS.
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Yes you are absolutely right. No one appart from the parties involved in this dispute have the whole picture. Don't get me wrong - i'm also still hoping for a good outcome and i will not refund the F-15E. But what i said about the source code is not an assumption done by me since prowler by himself mentioned that in his last statement as he also said repeatedly that ED is not able to maintain, support or continue developement of their products without them. That also sounds to me like "Guys: there is no hope for our modules if we loose." This may be part of the game and the way prowler is playing it but it also underlines the hot headed attitude of him. And it also shows that prowler is not interested in an agreement for a future DCS with all the RB modules but without RB as a developer. And what else can we do than building our own picture with these little fragments of information we get occasionally. As i said: 5 weeks ago prowler was pretty optimistic since he got all his accounts back. That sounded very good. Yesterday ED removed all the RB modules from their store on request of RB. Is there anybody here who thinks that this is a good sign? Try to buy one of RBs products now..... But again - don't get me wrong. I'm still hoping for a positiv solution and i really like your optimism which you always show. I really do but unfortunately at this very point i can't share it. The Harrier is one of my absolute favorite modules as the Strike Eagle will be hopefully in the future if they could find a solution. It would be really sad, if this modules wouldn't survive the dispute. But due to all the current ups and downs at the moment i think i will take a break - from the RB modules and maybe even from reading this thread and concentrate a bit more on the wonderful modules we already have and the improvements of them like the already mentioned pilot body for the A-10C.
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From day one of this public dipute i thought there are just 2 options. The first one is a resolution where everything goes back as it was before the dispute and the second one will be no or a negative solution where we will loose all of the RB modules (sooner or later). Because in my opinion this guy (RB prowler) with his hot headed ego would rather burn down everything than giving in and sell the source code of their modules to ED (which would be my favorite solution). Since yesterday i have the feeling that prowler just took a canister of gas and pulled out the lighter. It's really sad. 4 or 5 weeks ago, when he said that he's got all his accounts back it sounded to me like they are about to find a good solution. Now i'm pretty concerned. Yesterday i thought how can it be - shortly after this dispute went public a lot of people where asking how ED can continue to sale the modules while RB_prowler several times said that he asked ED to take them off from the store..... if that was true the modules should have disappeared already months ago. I can't stand this drama anymore. Time to move on and concentrate on looking foreward to the A-10 pilot body
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How can i give my self the answer if i don‘t even ask a question. I just said what i‘m hoping for. That‘s all.
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I know the first post and no it‘s not stated. It‘s stated that they will do their best to keep them working. I really appretiate that but when the dispute ends - and one day it will end - i would like to get some clear information about the future of the modules and not about the intention to keep them working without knowing if it‘s even possible. And i think a software engineer should be able to give you a clear answer to the question if it’s possible or not after a period of trying to maintain the moules. But anyway we have to wait and i‘m still hoping for a positive solution.
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I'm neither a software developer nor a businessman and i have to admit i didn't even think about the fact that he lost his accounts. I wasn't really surprised but i somehow thought he would loose all that in case they don't find a positive solution for all this. I also think we will not get any information about what exactly happend and who right and who was wrong (after the end of all this). But that's ok - it's not our business. The only thing we need to know is when the dispute is over and if it's a positive or a negativ result. And if negative in terms of the cooperation between the two parties i would like to know what the future of the RB modules is. But i'm sure as soon as there are some information about this, they will let aus know - in the first post of this thread or by other means. It may sound pretty naive but reading that razbam_prowler suddenly got all his accounts back sounds to me a bit like ED and RB are setting up and preparing the continuation of their partnership in order to come back to normal - as it was before all this happend. I mean why should ED give him all his accounts back and why should it make him optimistic of a positive outcome if there wouldn't be something positive on the horizon? As i said: maybe i'm just naive and it's just wishfull thinking by me but at least it looks like a good step in the right direction. And @Rudel_chw: Thanks a lot for posting that. I don't use discord and this gives me some hope
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CBU's fall too short, and bombs are only triggered individually
Gizmo03 replied to felixx75's topic in Problems and Bugs
Same for the JF-17. The problem with the CBUs was already there before this dispute. Last summer (already during the problems between RB and ED) there was an update (11.07.2024) where this problem was fixed - also for the Harrier. After this update it worked for me. But a later update broke it again. I think if they were able to fix that without the help of RB in july last year, they should be able to fix that again. I‘m really not sure and i might be wrong but i think there was a post in which one of EDs CM wrote that ED doesn‘t want to put their hands on the RB modules while these legal things are going on (which would be understandable) but it could also be that i just missinterpreted that post. Unfortunately i don‘t find it anymore. EDIT: i think this was the post i‘ve read. And maybe i really missinterpreted it but i still think it‘s like i said: -
Lunar Sale | Su-25A Announced | MiG-29 Pilot Helmet
Gizmo03 replied to Graphics's topic in Official Newsletters
Puh guys ….. you have to change the title. When i‘ve read „Su-25A Announced“ i was really celebrating just to find out that it‘s „just“ an update to the FC Frogfoot and it will be for free in the future….. i was always dreaming of a FF Su-25A and for a very short time i thought it will come true. That was a pretty disappointing experience…. -
And what does it mean?
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Yes, i think it was something like this, what i‘ve read and what i‘ve meant. It‘s pretty understandable. Thanks for clarification. This is something, your COO should have mentioned in order to not confuse the community because it sounded a bit like ED is going to finish the F-15E in case RB doesn‘t. Anyway it means a lot to me to hear that the F-15E is for you guys from ED as important as for all the other fans of this aircraft. I think the easiest way would be if everything goes back to normal - as it was before all this happend. I‘ve no idea how that should work out but it would be the easiest way for all of us.
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I'm afraid the only official answer you could get is: "If there is something new, we will share it with you (in the first post)." It was already mentioned that they will do their best to keep the modules in the current state. I think i saw a post (most probably in this thread) where i've read something which i understood like they don't do anything on the modules in order not to mess up the situation even more than it is right now and in case of a negative ending of this story they will keep everything in it's current state. But i'm really not sure if i missinterpreted or missunderstood this post. I just tried to find it but i didn't and i just don't want to waste my time anymore on this because i'm pretty tired of this whole sh*t. It feels like the CMs (don't get me wrong - i appreciate your work here) are strictly instructed not to share any single information but in the meanwhile the COO herself started with weird comments about the MiG-23 and the F-15. But still no confirmation or anything on this. I think if you want just a rough information on this - you would need to be happy with "They'll do their best to maintain it in the current state." If you want a more detailed information i guess you should expect the one i wrote above - unfortunately.
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You are so right!! And i really should. But as i said: i can't motivate myself. I just can't. EDIT: and just to make it clear: I hate myself for that
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That's right and i would love to take that for granted. But on the other hand if you read this thread it sounds like these kinds of comments are more or less common practice to calm down the customers a bit. Since i'm not working in the software industries or sales business, i have no clue about these common practices. But if that's true, we don't have only the "How and when". We also have a big "If" and also a "Who". And these are essential questions without an answer which leaves me in the dark And that's sad because even though i know the SE is really enjoyable in the current state, i am totally lacking of motivation to go deeper into it. Because everytime i use it, i enjoy it a bit more. The more i enjoy it, the more i'm afraid of loosing it again because of it's uncertain future. I know: sounds stupid but unfortunately it is as it is. If i could take this "Don't worry abaout the F-15" comment as granted i would immediately start again with the F-15E. I like the first post in this thread, because it's clear and contains just the cold facts with almost no room for speculations or interpretation. I can ignore all these "leaked informations" from a couple of programmers, but it's pretty hard for me to ignore a comment like this from the COO of ED itself. Even though these informations are from EDs COO it seems not to be official because it's not in the first post - so where are we now? (edit: that's the "darkness" i'm talking about )
