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It's not idealistic. It's wrong, sorry. Does not apply to this aircraft. This is not a Cessna. And you do go to idle in the roundout/flare in a Viper. It floats significantly if you don't. There is no stall speed.

The F-16 does not have a stall horn. What you are hearing is a "low speed warning tone" which comes on with the gear down at 15 degrees AOA or greater. If you are hearing this at touch down, you may strike the ventral fin, nozzle, or grind down the speedbrakes. Again, this is not a Cessna.

Interesting. How would one get to 35 Alpha in a Viper?

That's your homework. If you guys want realism, learn the systems. If not, then do what the book says. Fly 11 degree AOA approaches. Don't flare at 150 feet. Don't try to find the "stall speed." Just do the procedure. As an aside, in general, "stall speed" discussions are for aircraft without AOA indicators. Speed is irrelevant. AOA is what matters. You can correlate speed to AOA, but the "I'm flying" vs "Nope, not flying anymore" is 100% dependent on AOA. The reason GA pilots use speed is because most do not have AOA indicators.

That's my point. What is the stall speed in an aircraft with a FLCS and AOA limiters?

You are correct that the speeds correlating with the appropriate landing AOA change based on fuel and stores weight. My question was more of this notion of "stall speed" with regard to the F-16, and how/why anyone would want to be "1 knot above it" for landing. It's an academic discussion more than anything on how the FLCS works, methods for flying the pattern in a fighter, etc. The F-16 is not a Cessna.

Are you sure?

What is the stall speed of an F-16?

We use calibrated airspeed, not indicated. This corrects for instrument/position errors.

Okay, but with the one we actually use, you can see how even at 1 G you still get a turn rate.

The turn rate equation is: (degrees per second) = (Gradial x 1092)/KTAS

Every country in the world except the Russians, Chinese, and North Koreans use knots and feet for aviation. The jets you are comparing use knots and feet. The info out there to compare to the real world (which is what you're after, right?) are in knots and feet. If you want to compare apples to apples, use knots and feet as designed. You also need to know the Gs to accurately assess whether the data is correct.

Why?

Why are you using kilometers for US aircraft? So, 17,845 = how many seconds? And where is G on this chart?

At 620 knots, you're getting 20 degrees per second? Also, what is turn time?

I use it with the Huey. It's pretty much plug and play.

Nah, he's just wrong and doesn't understand how the turn rate formula works. First dissimilar aircraft I ever fought in the Viper was a clean F. He tried to go two circle with me. It did not end well for them. (degrees per second) = (Gradial x 1092)/KTAS You can see G is a big part of the equation. The only place a Hornet can get a better turn rate is where it can pull more G for a given speed.

It was done during approach when you needed to trim on-speed.

The sentence above where I said I forgot is about as good as it gets. Old school guys used it. It was an FCS sub-menu channel address where you'd trim to a specific number. I haven't flown the Hornet in 5 years and only did it maybe 2-3 times. 8.1 in the HUD is what everyone used (although some old school guys still did the channel thing).

Which is not as precise as trimming to 8.1 in the HUD or using the channel address (I forget what it is because I only had to use it a few times flying the B model).

This is what I got. Seems to add about 5 degrees to the FOV. Still comfortable. Fits perfectly. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08R729SLC/

Written by an NFO.

Yeah, it's just thinner padding.

I really like the G2. It has great clarity and performance. The FOV is just not great. I ordered an aftermarket face gasket which I hope will help.

This is correct. There is no realism with Track IR. And the Reverb G2 (Valve index is a little better) feels like fighting using NVGs. No. There's open source information on what a crank is and why we do it (I'm not getting into it here but CNATRA has put out some T-45C AWI info for NFOs that explains in detail), but this is not correct.