I never said there was...what I did say was that the rocker disc is hard to use compared to the thumb joysticks that are on the WartHog...the rocker disc is a little over 1/2 inch in diameter and is on my Razor Tartaurus Gamepad and not on my throttle...that's right, I don't even have the luxury of full HOTAS...I use my throttle for speed, comms, jettison functions, and refueling probe...my Razor mini pad for flaps, Weapons/Navigation modes, landing gear, hook, launching bar, chaff & flares, and speed brake and TrackIR centering on the Razor's keys and the rocker disc on the side for Attack Radar cursor slewing as well as MAVF/HUD slewing, then my mouse for selecting items I have not yet assigned to Razor Keys (8 levels of 15 key pages), and finally a CH Fighterstick for stick and Pro pedals..does that help you? :joystick: