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GG, D-Scythe, you overlooked this question. I am also interested in the answer. Anyone...anyone...Beuller ?

LMAO, good ‘ole missile thread…until it gets locked lol. Looks like some got up cranky this morning, long search…no facts, just jaw jackin’ as usual :D Yes sir, I also expected it to play out like this as I thought of it at work today, what neither of us could anticipate is that the Beta Testers who insist they are correct that are here arguing against, would have crapped out on even the saddest supportable of data. Another unfortunate and unforeseeable end game is the crap flinging flailing that would occur in absence of any supporting data on their side. Here D-Scythe’s “special” oversized Sig is ironically prophetic. Left to just nit-pick in the face of facts, ultimately it leaves them gripping “their precious” unsupported argument as they plunge deeper into the abyss. We must feel pity for these things, If only we could give them a simulation or some type of accredited relevant data that spanned the according time line, or damnit-man...a real life pilot !…we could save these wretched beings…..oh wait….never mind. :D :D :D …Some Peoples Kids…

So you really don't know, please remember that lower down. I on the other hand have produced documents and thier authors, many of whom work for or are enlisted in the Military. The latest material I produced was from Aug. 2002 on exactly that. If you want newer material, buy a subscription. As it is I have provided you with your best material on the subject. You have produced...nothing, just self admitted lack of knowledge, see above. REALLY !?! Do tell ! Sliced Bread..Horseless Carraige...head spinning :D So they stopped doing it one way and did it another...Change of Tactics, a commander can do what he will with intel, act on or ignore. One way things change the other they don't. Kinda like all those people who said "The Dog Fight" is dead this is the age of air to air missiles eh ? I'll bet the Jocks at Top Gun/Fighter Town would love to hear that...lol LOL, once again it does both & you can see it. The bottom line in all this is, Until you can produce something more than opinion, don't say anything. Opinion does not level the REAL MATERIAL I have produced.

Exactly, the roll has taken you beyond the seeker view once the dynamic limits have been reached. So Robert Shaw and all those big -headed weapons physics guys (many who wrote the papers while in the Mil) are wrong or just liars ? You still have yet to produce anything…even in crayon :D Maxim sold his wares to Europe before America took notice... The Romans against Hannibal's elephants... Many were lost at Thermopylae before they changed tactics...so Are you saying just because a tactic is not concieved/studied/practiced/simulated it’s not effective ? Then we wont Exactly ½ of what is necessary, as I said. Except in this book by this Fighter Pilot , no :D And if you can “control” it, you can defeat it.

I took Gimbal’d out as a end result Dynamics and Seeker…same same 6 Minute (+or-) mark of the track or movie shows just that, and other places as well. Unless he has done the maneuver successfully it won’t matter what he say’s. I believe that it may have resembled a “cork screw” trajectory due to these factors, but that is not a “controlled” barrel roll. Hell for that matter you could say that pieces of either one of the orbiters barrel rolled down to earth…It’s that whole devil in the details thing.

Well I must say GG, that’s the most smoke I’ve seen any amount of keystrokes produce, but still no fire kemosabe. Only for scumbag lawyers. It does both, dynamic weapon limits then F.O.V limits. (provided the missile is traveling fast enough to overshoot. And… Here you contradict yourself with the above “Gimbal out” You and I both know I provided a 3-33’s v 1-27 track at the same time I provided the 3v1 american track with the same results just a lot more missiles in the air. If you’d like I can make sure you get it, again. ? Has been and still is for me, and nothing has changed. While I would Respect/Hero Worship a Fighter Pilot on sight, and what he had to say. And do not believe that Fighter Pilots will ever die away. We are the future (or people like us) of Frontline Fighter (UAV) Aircraft, without the design/training/fear/physical limitations that are their everyday life, our skills and crafts will always outshine. Recently a high ranking Russian Defense Official also agreed with me on this. It may be wobbling on it’s trajectory axis due to course corrections, wind, drag ect…but in no way is it “barrel rolling”. LMAO

LOL no guarantees in LO either it seems…for some “…orthogonal roll/ barrel into the missile” tomato/tomato…that’s a thin hair to split my friend…lol Shaw say’s barrel roll, weapons physics researchers with Phd’s say high G barrel roll, good enough for me, I’ll roll with them on it. GG if you had everything just right (in Game/re IRL) would a missile being continually maneuvered to it's operational G Envelope limits still then be susceptible to the seeker head losing it's ability (in F.O.V. limits) to keep an "eye" on the targeted vehicle the closer it gets ? I understand proximity fuses also, but if it loses sight of you before the detonation envelope... The only way for a missile not to be susceptible to this maneuver is for it to have lateral/vectored thrust...or have a program that detonates the missile based on post/relative calculations, that tell it it should be in the same relative airspace just about to lead. And then the missile “blast cone would not be exactly effectual. This to me had always been a no brainier, just like side stepping a alley apple that some kid threw at you. The "Man in Black" twirling his sword to get the upper hand on Indigo Montoya. Or a martial artist using an opponents strength against them. I never looked at any of this technical material until people started pissin' and moanin' about it, and as it turns out I am right. I am the only one on either side of the argument to provide multiple forms of independant data including IRL, supporting his argument. Is there anything (material) you would like to show me ? Other than your own thoughts or views. P.s. Relavent data, not just spec's

So the fact that Robert Shaw, in "Fighter Tactics" recommends a technique he describes as "barrel rolling around the missile’s vector..." Doesn't mean anything ? I can't remember if he said that coming from an executive leather highback from best buy, or a G screamin' ejection seat... Do you ? And all that math/physics... I get the feeling you would've looked at E=Mc2 and said "Al your full o sh*t, that couldn't light my smoke...now brush your hair !"

Thx © Brush up on our missile physics... http://pdf.aiaa.org/jaPreview/JGCD/1994/PVJAPRE21168.pdf http://pdf.aiaa.org/preview/1982/PV1982_1516.pdf http://pdf.aiaa.org/preview/1993/PV1993_861.pdf http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Missile+Guidance+algorithm+against+High-g+barrel+roll+maneuvers&btnG=Search http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/505733.html http://www.afrlhorizons.com/Briefs/Jun02/MN0202.html http://www.google.com/search?q=aircraft+missile+evasion&hl=en&lr=&start=10&sa=N http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ned=us&q=Air-to-air+missile+avoidance+&btnmeta%3Dsearch%3Dsearch=Search+the+Web just to help you get started ;) Missile avoidance 2kb pdf. > http://www.filefactory.com/?f66d7c P.s. Don't forget to follow the references

Gunja, thx for the props. Xealot, Maciver, Here’s a new upload http://www.filefactory.com/?9df8d6 (248Mb), I’m not sure what “hoops” FileFactory makes you jump thru to get it thou. If you still run L.O. 1.02 you can get the track from Check-six and pick thru it. I haven’t really messed with my (joke) websight for a long time, google just asked for a sight to post a vid.. The video was rendered thru L.O.’s avi, and pushed thru WMM on a P4 1.4 w/Fx5200, so don’t expect too much. Also one of the best Video/Training/Rus I ever saw was from TeamBSR, “F-Pole”. Not sure where you could get it. But it’s a must have as a Russian beginner. Maybe someone here will hook you up. Like Red, IRONHANDS Tutorials (Trk ‘s) took me for the dirt nap even when running compatible versions, with his voice reassuring me as I salted the cockpit dash for impact. :) But I believe he has begun to put them all into “movie” form. Which has kind of been a hind sight improvised adjustment of the community, as we all believed at first tracks would be playable from version to version.

Well Spoken Sir.

For those that complain about the AIM120

Thx for the effort Earl, it's a great thing.

RePost: Jester doesn't get jokes I bought the game, and play it. I don't. Check my first post here in ratio to other threads if you believe other wise. I use only as many words as I need to too express myself on any given topic and those vary...if thats o.k. with you. No I don't. I just believe people when they say they have a problem.

I never said anything like that...are you reading or reacting ? sniff sniff I can understand that, but if you can't handle such a mild tone maybe you shouldn't reply. I have not ranted or raved in here. You boys just don't like what I say or how I say it. One way or the other, all I said is that some may have real problems no matter what you may think. Really how can you say someone hasn't had a problem ? Have you been to thier house ? That ends the conversation if the answer is no. (logically not emotionally) And we all know the answer is no. I'm not watching, I just looked under your name next to your post.(no sarcasm just an answer to the obvious...I struggled thou) :) I don't swing that way...but theres nothing wrong with you doing it. :)

LOL, say the man with 432 posts since Aug. Thats not alot of typing for the capable, Alot is the time you boys spend in here...lol Actually, Work said take the Vacation time or lose it, GF is making me watch football with her. Not enough snow to board, too muddy at the field to jump, streets are dry in most places, but too nasty to break out the bike without cleaning it all day tommorow, couldn't get any of my crew to go out shooting this morning. & X-mas shopping is done. So you guys are my ball of yarn today. And since when have either of you long winded b*astards not respond to someone who questioned you ? What you see is the systematic dismantleing of a position, if it wasn't weak it would stand. It surprises me that people who post so much would question someone who post so little...and not just about what they post...but not how they post...lol You boys can't need more attention, do you ?

Your right, if I do not feel strong enough to hate something or someone, I should not be involved...lol Your right again, why should I reply to anything that I have spent money on and now resides on my HD...that it's producer have sent a world wide challenge out too...lol Is SF really the only threads I reply too ? Why do you post short meaningless replies to every thread ? Nope, But I think you do... Why do you question opinions, and statements ? That is the sign of a person who doesn't believe what someone says, expects a different answer, or wants to change someone elses view. Also you push people who have stated problems, and are aggravated because of thier position, no agenda there eh ? lol Try again ?

slan·der n. 1. Law. Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation. 2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone. *Which part of anything I said was false ? instigation n 1. the verbal act of urging on 2. deliberate and intentional triggering (of trouble or discord) *LMAO...yea without my post everything was just fine. hate v. hat·ed, hat·ing, hates v. tr. 1. Intense animosity or dislike; hatred. 2. An object of detestation or hatred * I don't care enough about this game or any of you, to HATE...lol is that a joke ? cam·paign n. 1. A series of military operations undertaken to achieve a large-scale objective during a war 2. An operation or series of operations energetically pursued to accomplish a purpose * I now have 11 posts total in the last year, how is that a campaign ? *SF was the only one mentioned by name...And you may want to put all of this under the words Starforce Challenge...just for a little perspective...lol * c. Raploc...Alfa's gonna try to get rid of the bad man, don't worry honey.

Is the one that they sent in here still around ? If he is, when was his last post ?

LMAO, Starforce Challenge my ass. It should be called Starforce says your all full of sh*t. Or the “Prove it Punk” Challenge. That’s their attitude. Perhaps a few have exaggerated or fabricated some reports, but all of them ? You have to be delusional or in denial to believe that. It’s like believing that because no one has ever busted down your door and bled out a family member, that it never happens to anyone else. Just cause it didn’t happen in your little world. Those that have/take that stance are FOS., and will always be. Those that say drop everything and take up the challenge must not have much of a life, or responsibilities, to be able to see it as a possibility. Even someone with a pet turtle can’t go mia for a week without consequences. It wasn’t just the Anti-Fan-Boy crew complaining, heavy LO/FC supporters where having conflict problems and leaning on the fence of discontent. How can you all not remember that ? $1000.00 ain’t shit. Uncle Sam gets as much in a week from me in taxes. So the idea is we take leave from our jobs/families/homes/country/obligations to travel to their shop and prove something that they themselves have not bothered to fix. That’s just F*cking stupid, and it their job, not ours. It goes to show you all, that they do not realistically consider any of us. Or they would understand our average age and the responsibilities that accompany our age group/genre. I did not see SF post a thread here (not counting the bug thread that accompanies every game.) asking for those who specifically had problems with their drives to post all they could to get base line data to start/work from. Or that they had compiled such a data base and could find nothing, but wished to help those who were affected, because they understood that we use our computers for very real and important tasks aside from their pathetic fears/game…Just this punk sh*t. Hell the one SF guy that they sent in here early on, slinked off under a barrage of questions, they weren’t even hostile, just technical….LOL…weak. I myself had a word doc. glitch on my comp. I could not explain after installing the FC Demo as some of you remember, and that it was no small thing for me & my GF at the time. Also recently I have had the task of burning copies of brain/spinal MRI’s to take to various doctors for a family member who’s been dx’d with a “Dreaded Disease”. Which pales in comparison to some of the reasons I have had in the past for SF protection software to be correct & non-conflicting. So no matter what your fear as a software developer, you have no right to disable anything on the “suspicion of“…But you do have a responsibility to produce non-conflicting software. But if it had disabled my CD/DVD drive, I would have been bent in a way that would have precluded a face to face meeting. You are nothing more than a game that cannot be played if the electricity goes off. Hell at that point Candy Land has got you beat. There’s nothing really to say but, SF you have F*cked up yet again. And that make you Par for the course so far. It looked like, for a minute, you had started to square your gear away with the 7 day CD check. Then this,…Poor form at best. My suggestion is that you trade your P.R. man in for a Crap Flinging Monkey, at least then we will all get some laughs. P.S. Growing up in the ghetto as a kid there was a saying the brothers I shot dice with used regular to call out B.S…. Game recognizes Game, You won’t know it till I show it. You can’t sell it if I tell it.

Well done all, Congrats to FoxteR, Paloo & the RvE crew. I'm sad to say I missed the feed.

Outstanding

Negative. She was surprisingly willing. After we were done with her she wanted to stay, but we sent her back home to you. P.s. In gratitude for her service I have provided a extra sample of Dr. Reap's 2Ball Lotion & Throat lozenge, enjoy ;)

:D :D :D...douche'

Ya got a little somethin' on your chin Ice... ;)