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I think it is a common sense that F-16 has better performance in WVR while JF-17 relied more on missile https://hushkit.net/2019/07/19/flying-fighting-in-the-jf-17-thunder-interview-with-pakistan-air-force-fighter-pilot/ Check his comments on WVR fight in an JF17 against a F-16. JF-17 with PL-10 mod (currently in pipeline) will trump F-16 with AIM-9M any day of the week, but currently on brute performance F-16 has the edge. Which aircraft have you flown DACT against- which was the most challenging and why? “DACT : F-16 Block-52+ , Mirage, F:7P.

Thanks you for the track replay file here https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=252003

That is more like to be a "2 second error", give or take. An error of 15% in kinematic performance is not ignorable.

It is scalable. If your simulation is wrong in terms of acceleration at 20000 lbs , then it is very likely that it's also wrong at 24000 lbs, 26000 lbs, 28000 lbs... I will ask someone to make a track replay.

the 13 seconds could be 12.5 rounded up, not necessarily 13+ seconds.

video: spool time is already considered. The acceleration starts well below 300kts to make sure the engine is already full power at 300kts. As for the fuel burn, 276lbs fuel does not influence that much for the acceleration time. It only affects the flying weight by 1-2%. We are talking about 15% deviation in acceleration time.

Hi, Try low fuel (10%) and disable fuel burn, do a 300kts - 650 kts acceleration at sea level. The DCS F-16 spends 15.1 seconds, while the real F-16 block50 spends 13 seconds. Whether the thrust or the drag profile or both are broken. You can guess where the real F-16 figure comes from. update: track reply file here https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=252003

Have all their block 42's re-engined with PW229 instead of PW220?

One more thing: DCS F-16 takes 15.1 seconds to accelerate from 300 kts to 650 kts with only 10% internal fuel. so either the thrust or the drag profile or both are broken.

Additional info: to test acceleration you need to start acceleration below 200 kts to make sure the engine is already at full power when it reaches 200 kts.

E-M chart does not provide enough info for vertical maneuvers. I thinks acceleration and climb chart are better.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=260724 Some dogfighting moves are discussed here

(check the comments, not the video) By Nimrod Ex F16 pilot here; yeah at slow speed your limited at aoa for nose pointing, but rolling scissors all the way baby???? But you don’t want to be slow speed anyway Best technique is at the merge full G straight up over the top. Best thing your enemy can do is match that and you meet head on again. If he doesn’t he’s toast because you are coming over the top and gravity is helping only thing you have to do is roll inside his turn radius and set up for the kill My takeaways: F-16 has decent T/W ratio and energy retention in the vertical to pull these Immelman-like moves consecutively. An enemy can do the same maneuver but it will run out of energy earlier and quit the maneuver and go downwards. The gravity and F-16's superior roll rate can help it to roll inside the enemy's turning circle.

A 26000 lbs F-16C-50 with loadout drag index = 50 could sustain 14.2deg/sec at 10000ft. Fuel weight + loadout weight = 33% empty weight. A 55620 lbs F-14B with loadout drag index = 48 could sustain 14deg/sec at 10000ft. Fuel weight + loadout weight = 29% empty weight. So viper has the edge.

In terms of energy performance, JAS-39 is always out-maneuvered by F-16: https://postimg.cc/8fryLtqR (it is an old magazine and does not violate any forum rule)

55600 lbs F-14B can sustains 14 deg at 10000 ft (total weight is 129% * empty weight) 26000 lbs F-16C-50 sustains 14.2 deg at 10000 ft (total weight is 133% * empty weight) So F-16 has the edge

In terms of energy performance, JAS-39 is always out-maneuvered by F-16: https://postimg.cc/8fryLtqR

Well, why does anyone ignore the fact that F-16 outturns F-14 at 10000ft with more afterburner duration and payload drag index

1. The STR of JAS39 was claimed to be 20 deg /sec (source: flight international), not 20+deg/sec. 2. JAS39 can outturn F-16? According to Combat Aircraft interview, energy-wise, JAS39 was always outmaneuvered by F-16. I will post a scan of the article later.

F-14 could not outturn F-16C-50. Loaded with 6 amraams + pylongs (drag index = 50) and 26000 lbs total flying weight, F-16C-50 sustains at 14.2 deg/sec at 10000 ft. Loaded with 4 aim7 + 4aim9 ( drag index = 48 ) and 55600 lbs total flying weight, F-14D sustains at 14 deg/sec at 10000 ft. F-16 has the edge because it is easy to verify that the fuel load for F-16 allows for longer afterburner duration.