Journey of a new pilot...

[Buckeye]

Just had my first 2 v 2 practice on the Guns n Roses server with a guy I was in TS with, and wow that was a hell of a lot of fun.

 

I feel like now that I have been able to get on MP for an hour or two each day for the past couple of days, I am slowly getting better. I have been able to identify many of my weaknesses: I need a much improved feel for flying a level turn when looking behind me, expanding on that I need the same improvement for holding corner speed in a turn while holding level, I need to learn when not to chase someone down to the dirt (or when not to chase so much in general) and I need to get better at identifying when I am closing too fast/when they are trying to force on overshoot. These are all things I will be focusing on improving as quickly as possible with experience.

[Stuge]

I'm glad you're enjoying it Ace!

 

About 2-ship operations.. I have not explored that aspect in-depth. Hopefully more in the future.

 

The idea of a "two-ship death machine" working flawlessly is very intriguing, i have thought about it many times. It would require the right person to train and fly with...

 

Last thing, i wanna make a comment on corner speed in the f-15. I think it is given too much emphasis, and people often seem to have the idea that flying perfect corner speed will magically win the fight. Granted, corner speed is most energy efficient. But it comes with problems:

 

1) it is challenging enough to maintain even in a horizontal turn, airspeed can easily go too high.

 

2) if there is any oblique or vertical maneuvering, it gets much more problematic to maintain well, without going too fast.

 

The f-15 turns quite well even at 250kts. Bleeding out some airspeed is not such a sin as some people make it out to be... it is often a better option than overspeeding and blacking out.

[GGTharos]

That's right. Corner speed is good to know, it's good to use, but what you need is to maneuver relative to your opponent. If you just fly corner you might not do so well.

[Buckeye]

Might be time to look into investing the time to set up some BMS controls and focusing on flying over there more often...if the 104th is dead (it has been tonight) and the Hoggit server is running a non-fighter mission (which is has been as of about 2 hours ago) I pretty much have no where to fly in MP. I've wasted 2 hours looking for somewhere to fly with something to shoot down, to no avail.

[winchesterdelta1]

Might be time to look into investing the time to set up some BMS controls and focusing on flying over there more often...if the 104th is dead (it has been tonight) and the Hoggit server is running a non-fighter mission (which is has been as of about 2 hours ago) I pretty much have no where to fly in MP. I've wasted 2 hours looking for somewhere to fly with something to shoot down, to no avail.

 

Hmm weird. Most times the server is full. What time did you try to join the server?

[Buckeye]

Hmm weird. Most times the server is full. What time did you try to join the server?

 

It was from about 9 to 11:30pm EST by the time I just called it a night and went to bed. Luckily the 104th is usually populated (tonight was a rarity), but it's odd to me that no other servers ever are.

[Stuge]

Seeing that nowadays 104th server is often full, and a little wait is required to join, I'd say I'm quite happy with that :) Great success!

[Buckeye]

Seeing that nowadays 104th server is often full, and a little wait is required to join, I'd say I'm quite happy with that :) Great success!

 

 

Yeah last night was really unfortunate timing. It was the first time I had ever seen it below 15 players...coincidentally, it was the first time I was looking to learn BVR in the MP environment.

 

If it weren't for the 104th server, I'd never have anywhere to fly it seems.

[Buckeye]

Connection Interrupted (trying to join 104th)

Connection Interrupted (trying to join 104th)

Connection Interrupted (trying to join 104th)

DCS Stopped Working

Connection Interrupted (trying to join 77th)

Connection Interrupted (trying to join 104th)

Connection Interrupted (trying to join Hoggit)

DCS Stopped Working

Finally get into the 77th server, get into F-15 and start up...before the engines are even ready, Connection Interrupted.

 

Any advice from anyone for troubleshooting? This sucks.

[GGTharos]

I see you were in the 44th server also.

 

Two possible things here ... you have some mod that Integrity check is not appreciating or ... it's a temporary internet issue.

[diveplane]

Connection Interrupted (trying to join 104th)

Connection Interrupted (trying to join 104th)

Connection Interrupted (trying to join 104th)

DCS Stopped Working

Connection Interrupted (trying to join 77th)

Connection Interrupted (trying to join 104th)

Connection Interrupted (trying to join Hoggit)

DCS Stopped Working

Finally get into the 77th server, get into F-15 and start up...before the engines are even ready, Connection Interrupted.

 

Any advice from anyone for troubleshooting? This sucks.

 

poor connection.

[Buckeye]

I see you were in the 44th server also.

 

Two possible things here ... you have some mod that Integrity check is not appreciating or ... it's a temporary internet issue.

 

Indeed I did, when I saw it open I figured I would try there too...no such luck. Only mod I've changed recently is updating Mustang's Cloud and Sky textures to 5.29. When I get home from work tonight I will have to mess with removing all mods to see if it solves the issue.

 

poor connection.

 

Shouldn't be that. It's not a super connection, but it's not bad by any means?

 

Tried again, same issue, and here is a SpeedTest from right after:

 

Edited July 18, 2014 by =Buckeye=

[Buckeye]

5 hours of troubleshooting and one fresh install later (plus a few mistakes along the way), and I am back online. Finally able to get into the 104th too.

 

Question: If a bandit is flying in the dirt, is it worthless to fire 120's at him? 3 times now I am on a bandit in controlled offensive position (saw him first, fired first) and they just dive to the dirt and no matter how many 120's I fire, none connect...even when I am firing from 4-8nm range.

[Stuge]

5 hours of troubleshooting and one fresh install later (plus a few mistakes along the way), and I am back online. Finally able to get into the 104th too.

 

Question: If a bandit is flying in the dirt, is it worthless to fire 120's at him? 3 times now I am on a bandit in controlled offensive position (saw him first, fired first) and they just dive to the dirt and no matter how many 120's I fire, none connect...even when I am firing from 4-8nm range.

 

Not worthless, just a high chance of miss. But since you can carry 8, chances are you will get the bad guy with one of them. Don't fire all at once if the bandit is evasive. One at a time.. while he has to evade, you can force the distance smaller. If you have sparrows, you could try a flood mode shot. Then prepare to use aim9(if you're carrying) and gun if range becomes small.

 

If you suspect the bandit may get away, switch radar off, track him visually, make him feel safe, and if you see he obviously turns back, mad dog or two :D

[Buckeye]

If he's flying away from you, and low , then 8 nm might as well be 8 light years.

 

Again (in general), watch the tacview to see what happened. Your missiles probably ran out of steam.

 

I know, but unfortunately my TacView wasn't recording my flights after the fresh install.

 

Not worthless, just a high chance of miss. But since you can carry 8, chances are you will get the bad guy with one of them. Don't fire all at once if the bandit is evasive. One at a time.. while he has to evade, you can force the distance smaller. If you have sparrows, you could try a flood mode shot. Then prepare to use aim9(if you're carrying) and gun if range becomes small.

 

If you suspect the bandit may get away, switch radar off, track him visually, make him feel safe, and if you see he obviously turns back, mad dog or two :D

 

Thanks for the pointers , I need to start throwing a Sparrow or two on for situations when I can use Flood mode. I'm always cautious not to lob a bunch of 120's off in rapid succession because I figure if he can dodge the first one, even if I fire a couple more they are still coming from the same angle and he can dodge/notch those too. I usually try to alter my position relative to his maneuver, then fire another. In the scenario I described where they were all in the dirt, I ultimately screwed up bc I lost my SA and ended up getting myself in the middle of 3 of them (after firing multiple missiles and ultimately running out). I got into guns position on one and was closing, then bam, his buddy cleaned me up.

 

After I made the post it turned dark outside and people were then forced to fly high...when they kept altitude I ended up taking 5 or 6 guys out. Having TacViews of everything will help too.

[Buckeye]

What are the best steps to take to avoid being teamkilled by morons on your team? Obviously calling out buddy spike, etc., but if they aren't in TS (or reading the chat), that doesn't help. What can I do to make it as obvious as possible that "Hey I'm on your team"? When heading back to base, I put on nav lights, I turned radar on so IFF works.

 

Reason I ask is that it seems like 50% of the time I've been shot down, it's been by a damn teammate. This morning I got on a nice run, took out 4 bandits, was heading back to the airbase to land and rearm...and boom, teammate shoots me down despite calling "buddy spike" in the chat.

[Bushmanni]

If you get shot down by a radar missile while there's nobody else around there's nothing else to do but teach him how to tell friend from foe on the radar screen and HUD. If you get shot down while dogfighting with an enemy then you need to tell them to not shoot Slammers into the merge. If he shoots you down with a heater then you need to tell him to use radar to check the identity of the target before firing. There's really no way to tell who you are besides comms but the moron needs to learn to use his radar.

[Buckeye]

If you get shot down by a radar missile while there's nobody else around there's nothing else to do but teach him how to tell friend from foe on the radar screen and HUD. If you get shot down while dogfighting with an enemy then you need to tell them to not shoot Slammers into the merge. If he shoots you down with a heater then you need to tell him to use radar to check the identity of the target before firing. There's really no way to tell who you are besides comms but the moron needs to learn to use his radar.

 

Thanks, bush...that's pretty much what I thought my options were but I wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something else :thumbup:

 

As is to be expected from a moron, when I brought it to his attention that he shot me down as a friendly, he didn't even think to apologize, he just tried to defend himself. Then I looked at the leaderboard and saw it was his second team kill of the day so I'm pretty sure he was just clueless.

[GGTharos]

What are the best steps to take to avoid being teamkilled by morons on your team? Obviously calling out buddy spike, etc., but if they aren't in TS (or reading the chat), that doesn't help. What can I do to make it as obvious as possible that "Hey I'm on your team"? When heading back to base, I put on nav lights, I turned radar on so IFF works.

 

Turn off the ECM.

 

Reason I ask is that it seems like 50% of the time I've been shot down, it's been by a damn teammate. This morning I got on a nice run, took out 4 bandits, was heading back to the airbase to land and rearm...and boom, teammate shoots me down despite calling "buddy spike" in the chat.

 

They have working IFF. A new player (fresh off of steam? :D ) might not know how to use IFF. Also active missiles shot at a bandit might find you instead.

[Stuge]

Thanks, bush...that's pretty much what I thought my options were but I wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something else :thumbup:

 

As is to be expected from a moron, when I brought it to his attention that he shot me down as a friendly, he didn't even think to apologize, he just tried to defend himself. Then I looked at the leaderboard and saw it was his second team kill of the day so I'm pretty sure he was just clueless.

 

Don't worry, occasionally you will find out that the "moron" making a teamkill is yourself :)

 

Making mistakes is human, that's ok.

 

So when you do, an apology is always enough ;)

 

And if one doesn't apologize, they either

 

1) didn't realize they did it

 

2) have a big ego. Which is, btw, also a natural phenomenon :D

 

So not to get your blood pressure up... learn to forgive. Become Jesus. If you can. And if you can't, well, that's human too :)

[Buckeye]

Turn off the ECM.

 

They have working IFF. A new player (fresh off of steam? :D ) might not know how to use IFF. Also active missiles shot at a bandit might find you instead.

 

Copy on the ECM, I rarely use it anyway because I can't decide if I think it helps more than it hurts. Here are the usual steps I take when inbound to friendly base:

 

1) Turn off ECM (if I had it on)

2) Turn on nav lights (once I am pretty far away from any enemy)

3) Turn radar on when a friendly is painting me so I can give IFF signature

4) Say/type buddy spike when 3 is happening

[Buckeye]

Don't worry, occasionally you will find out that the "moron" making a teamkill is yourself :)

 

Making mistakes is human, that's ok.

 

So when you do, an apology is always enough ;)

 

And if one doesn't apologize, they either

 

1) didn't realize they did it

 

2) have a big ego. Which is, btw, also a natural phenomenon :D

 

So not to get your blood pressure up... learn to forgive. Become Jesus. If you can. And if you can't, well, that's human too :)

 

Huh?! I never make mistakes! :smilewink: In this case, the guy realized it after I called him out, he just didn't care...oh well. Like you said, no reason getting worked up about it.

[Stuge]

Copy on the ECM, I rarely use it anyway because I can't decide if I think it helps more than it hurts. Here are the usual steps I take when inbound to friendly base:

 

1) Turn off ECM (if I had it on)

2) Turn on nav lights (once I am pretty far away from any enemy)

3) Turn radar on when a friendly is painting me so I can give IFF signature

4) Say/type buddy spike when 3 is happening

 

IFF has absolutely nothing to do with your radar being on or off. In fact, it's better to keep it off while rtb, because having it on will force everyone you're sweeping to locate you and IFF if you're enemy or not. Keep it off, and no one will pay attention to you.

[GGTharos]

You don't need your radar to be on for him to IFF you.

 

Copy on the ECM, I rarely use it anyway because I can't decide if I think it helps more than it hurts. Here are the usual steps I take when inbound to friendly base:

 

1) Turn off ECM (if I had it on)

2) Turn on nav lights (once I am pretty far away from any enemy)

3) Turn radar on when a friendly is painting me so I can give IFF signature

4) Say/type buddy spike when 3 is happening

[Buckeye]

IFF has absolutely nothing to do with your radar being on or off. In fact, it's better to keep it off while rtb, because having it on will force everyone you're sweeping to locate you and IFF if you're enemy or not. Keep it off, and no one will pay attention to you.

 

You don't need your radar to be on for him to IFF you.

 

Thanks, some guy in the chat told me earlier I did...good to know that I don't! Also good to know that I should be selective of hows words I take as facts, haha.