Defensive missiles???

[cichlidfan]

I think that second point will break the Aircraft usage.

 

Indeed. Just moving at speed is an issue. If you add in maneuvering then the problem becomes too much for the limited launch window.

[Emu]

Hi, i was just curious about something, i was reading the news about how Israel uses a defensive system which consists of missiles which are used to shoot down or intercept enemy missiles. I was wondering, isnt there something similar for military aircrafts?? wouldnt that be an excellent solution against SAMs and others??

 

http://www.diehl.com/fileadmin/diehl-defence/user_upload/flyer/IRIS-T_e_Eurofighter.pdf

 

Anti-missile capability against incoming A/A

and S/A missiles

[rajdary]

Isegrim and Emu, the Iris-T is exactly what i was thinking should exist, i read the pdf and it sounds good, how effective it is in RL is another story.

Thanks for the links.:)

[topol-m]

The NATO E-3A has such an laser already onboard. It's their defensive aid for take-off and landings, which should protect them at a missile launch.

 

In contrast to DCS, the real E-3A doesn't have Chaff or Flares for self defence. :music_whistling:

 

 

regards,

Fire

 

I'm not acquainted with E-3's laser system but isn't it something like the CIRCM or the C-MUSIC? I.e. a system that disrupts the IR seeker of IR guided missile and not destroying the missile itself? When I mentioned laser point defense systems I meant ones that would be capable of physically destroying or significantly damaging incoming missiles regardless of their guidance type. AFAIK the currently fielded airborne laser systems are only disrupting missile guidance and aren't capable of destroying the missiles themselves. Mind that we are not talking about YAL-1 and ATL as these systems are not point defense.

[Emu]

I'm not acquainted with E-3's laser system but isn't it something like the CIRCM or the C-MUSIC? I.e. a system that disrupts the IR seeker of IR guided missile and not destroying the missile itself? When I mentioned laser point defense systems I meant ones that would be capable of physically destroying or significantly damaging incoming missiles regardless of their guidance type. AFAIK the currently fielded airborne laser systems are only disrupting missile guidance and aren't capable of destroying the missiles themselves. Mind that we are not talking about YAL-1 and ATL as these systems are not point defense.

One possibility is high powered RF microwave jamming. At sufficient power levels you could theoretically not only disrupt, but damage seeker electronics. It's sort of a halfway house between disrupting a missile and killing it.

[ViFF]

Hi, i was just curious about something, i was reading the news about how Israel uses a defensive system which consists of missiles which are used to shoot down or intercept enemy missiles. I was wondering, isnt there something similar for military aircrafts?? wouldnt that be an excellent solution against SAMs and others??

 

Hi rajdary,

 

The defensive system used by Israel is called "Iron Dome", and it is a land based system... way too big to fit an an airplane, even a big one.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_dome

 

It is the result of a marriage between IAI/Elta's ELM2084 AESA ground based radar (and its a big unit mounted on a flatbed truck) and the rest of the system including command modules, launching modules and interceptor missiles from Rafael.

 

The Iron Dome is effective against rockets -not- missiles.

 

The distinction being that when a rocket is fired there are no changes to its trajectory, so the radar can predict a good intercept solution for the interceptor, and the interceptor's on-board radar guides it in the last few hundred meters until intercept of the rocket.

 

A missile however, has the ability to change its course during flight making interception by another missile very very very difficult.

 

Israel currently has 8 or 9 batteries that are giving good results against the rockets fired by Hamas.

 

The financial justification for using a 30 thousand dollar interceptor against a puny rocket that may cost less then 100 dollars is that the system does not fire at every single rocket that is fired, but rather only on those that their trajectory is computed and predicted that will drop into the protection zone. Rockets that are predicted by the Elta radar that they will fall outside areas that need to be protected (residential areas, high value assets, etc) are not intercepted.

 

Cheers!