Su-33 landing [] Su-33 newbie landing thread

[arkroyale048]

Before you ask; yep I did a search on the forums on anything regarding landing the Su-33 back to the boat and did not come up with anything concrete. So why not; I just create this thread to have a few of my questions answered as well as having people refer to this thread with anything regarding landing the Su-33

 

*Background:

 

Last time I landed an Su-33 into the deck was back in FC2

 

 

 

Questions:

 

1) I've just about mastered getting into the glide slope. What I want to know is what do I refer to for.... windage ? Left and right ? It seems that I'm always off to the side when nearing the carrier

 

2) Did they implement the sound of the tailhook lashing onto the deck upon landing ? It seems to make a sound (similar to the one where you break your landing gear on other aircraft). However when I took off again; landing gear is fine.

 

3) How does the two circles on the HUD work ? It seems that every approach is unique in that the large circle doesn't have a set place on the HUD

 

 

http://www.twitch.tv/arkroyale048/b/607319826

 

Here's me freeflighting with it... You can skip the boring parts and just find the landing bits...

 

Please help me improve :D

 

Thanks

[OB1]

You don't seem to be understanding how the ILS system works. Represented by 2 circles one small one big, these will guide you to the the deck. A perfect glide path with have the 2 circles over each other, however its not overly critical to have them perfect, just don't chase them around the HUD.

 

Edit: And try keep them central on your HUD.

 

Found an old video, its not perfect but close enough to give you the right idea.

 

Edited January 5, 2015 by OB1

[arkroyale048]

How does it work then ?

 

How do I make the circles go where I want it to go ?

[OB1]

Reference the centre of your HUD if the circles are to the right it wants you to correct to the right. If they are high on the HUD it wants you to fly higher to correct.

[arkroyale048]

Ok... will try that on my next stream. Will post findings.

[Ironhand]

The only circle you need to pay attention to is the big circle, the flight director circle. It's the only one that tells you whether to fly left or right or up or down to get to the point you want to be. If it is high and to the right in your HUD, fly toward it. If low and to the left, fly toward it, etc, etc. The idea is always to have it centered in the HUD. With the HUD in Nav node, if you followed it precisely for your entire flight, it would always be in the center of your HUD and you will hit each waypoint at the specified altitude and course line.

 

When in the Return submode, it leads you to the correct altitude and heading for landing. Once close enough, you will pick up the ILS beam and a smaller circle, the ILS deviation circle, will appear. If you were following the flight director circle precisely, this deviation circle will be perfectly centered inside the larger director circle. To the degree that you weren't, it'll be elsewhere.

 

Just keep doing what the flight director circle is telling you to do. In doing that, you will pull the ILS deviation circle into the center of the HUD and inside the flight director circle. Continue to make small corrections to follow the larger circle (EDIT: now in relationship to the small circle). Doing so will keep the two circles perfectly centered, one inside the other. If you see the large circle start to slip upward, you'll know that you're slipping below the glide path. If it slips to the right, you are slipping to the left of the correct path. ETc, etc. Always make adjustments to move toward the larger circle.

Edited January 5, 2015 by Ironhand

[arkroyale048]

On my 2nd stream I was able to (somewhat) consistently get her on the deck. Six times out of twelve.

 

http://www.twitch.tv/arkroyale048/c/5816989

 

Here's a portion of my stream (did this before I saw your post). Only difference is, I think I was doing what you said. Except that I was doing in on the small circle.

 

 

For my 3rd stream; I'll do the one like you said.

 

Thanks for the help.

[arkroyale048]

Some improvement I think...

 

http://www.twitch.tv/arkroyale048/b/607709531

 

 

 

On another topic.

 

Any tips on air to air refueling ?

[Ironhand]

Some improvement I think...

 

http://www.twitch.tv/arkroyale048/b/607709531

Better. But you still aren't following the flight director on the way down to the deck which is why you ended up much too low and needed to make a major correction at the end. And you're still diving for the deck in the last few seconds. Start following the flight director more closely and you'll be more in control on the way down.

 

 

 

On another topic.

 

Any tips on air to air refueling ?

Nope. Haven't refuelled since V1.x and it's all different now. I'll have to give it a try sometime.

[arkroyale048]

Alright.... I'll try on the next stream.... My 4th stream is a combat sortie on the Su-33.

 

**edit edit**

 

The reason for that sudden movement at the last moment is that for some reason; no matter how good my alignment is on the approach... it would suddenly veer left or right... So I just do the corrections by eyesight instead of the flight director...

 

I'll try to follow the flight director all the way next time.

Edited January 6, 2015 by arkroyale048

[Ironhand]

...no matter how good my alignment is on the approach... it would suddenly veer left or right... So I just do the corrections by eyesight instead of the flight director...

 

I'll try to follow the flight director all the way next time.

Now that you mention it, I noticed something similar the other day. Everything was perfectly centered all the way down the glide slope until the last moment. Then, suddenly, the circles separated. I thought it was a fluke. Perhaps it wasn't. I just haven't had the time to return and check into it. I don't believe that happened the other day, when landing at an air base.

[arkroyale048]

At the air base it's different... It's on the boat that it does that.

[Ironhand]

At the air base it's different... It's on the boat that it does that.

OK. So there is, perhaps, some kind of bug here.

[arkroyale048]

Been viewing all my attempts from the start.... The two circles seem to wildly diverge at the last moment (and hence I do the last moments by eyesight).

 

 

**edit edit**

 

http://www.twitch.tv/arkroyale048/b/607814081

 

Here's my combat sortie... Just skip all the way near the end. Made two attempts at recovery. The circles would diverge at the last moment.

Edited January 6, 2015 by arkroyale048

[Ironhand]

Been viewing all my attempts from the start.... The two circles seem to wildly diverge at the last moment (and hence I do the last moments by eyesight).

 

 

**edit edit**

 

http://www.twitch.tv/arkroyale048/b/607814081

 

Here's my combat sortie... Just skip all the way near the end. Made two attempts at recovery. The circles would diverge at the last moment.

Won't be able to check any of this out until tomorrow morning. FWIW, if you have been centered for the last 10-20 seconds before the divergence, you should, theoretically, remain centered if you continue down the glide slope ignoring the split. In the last of your samples I viewed, you were seldom centered on the glide slope. If there's little or no wind in the mission, you should be able to center up early and stay centered all the way down...until that split happens.

 

EDIT: I lied. Forgot this was on Twitch. You know, in watching your 2nd attempt, it almost seemed as if the circles suddenly switch roles. You were close enough on that attempt that, initially, I could confirm that you should be following the larger circle's lead. Then, suddenly, at about the "inner marker" point, they seemed to switch roles. As they diverged, it seemed that the smaller circle was the one to follow.

Edited January 6, 2015 by Ironhand

[arkroyale048]

The split occurs five seconds before impact...

 

Maybe my mistake was being undecided whether to commit via eyesight or to still try to correct the split.

[Ironhand]

The split occurs five seconds before impact...

 

Maybe my mistake was being undecided whether to commit via eyesight or to still try to correct the split.

The question is, should that split be occurring at all? If you want to and are able, follow the large circle. Get things centered up early and stay with it. When the split occurs, follow the small circle and see what happens.

 

I can think of no reason, however, why the director circle should suddenly stop being the director circle in the last moments of landing but only on the carrier. I think you've found a bug. I'm just curious if the circles are switching roles.

[OB1]

oops wrong section..

 

ignore-

 

Glad your doing better however :P

Edited January 6, 2015 by OB1

[arkroyale048]

Did a few more tests (unstreamed).

 

It seems that it's the small circle that will wildly go out of line. However, I tried what you said and just commit to correcting the big circle. You are more or less fine with it.

 

On a side note; it improved my landings some more... less of that last second jerk a few seconds before impact.

[Ironhand]

Did a few more tests (unstreamed).

 

It seems that it's the small circle that will wildly go out of line. However, I tried what you said and just commit to correcting the big circle. You are more or less fine with it.

 

On a side note; it improved my landings some more... less of that last second jerk a few seconds before impact.

You should probably report this as a bug so they can look into it.

 

Great to hear that your landings are improving! :) The more you practice doing things correctly, the better you'll get.

[arkroyale048]

Alright... going to prepare a few tracks for their reference.

 

Where does one report these kind of things again ?

[Ironhand]

...

 

Where does one report these kind of things again ?

 

Right here. Start a new thread titled something like: [bUG] Landing Mode: Carrier Landings. Then describe the problem and attach some tracks. I don't know how often they check this area for reports. So you might also want to send a PM to someone like GGTharos with a link to make sure it gets noticed. Or not. It's up to you.

[bunraku]

Hi

 

Are there any tutorial videos for doing this?

 

Thanks