wilbur81 Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Questions. Do any of you do much BFM against the AI Mig-15 and find it to have nearly supernatural maneuvering abilities, thurst, etc. in a GUNZO dogfight? I fly the F-15C GUNZO against every single AI bird in DCS (always set to pilot skill: excellent [i know that's not saying much :-)]) just for kicks...and the Mig-15 is ridiculously powerful/maneuverable. Is this realistic? He can just zoom and zoom, turn and turn, etc. I'm pretty good about energy management with the F-15, and like I said: every other AI aircraft in DCS world is cake to go against with just the gun. Thoughts? i7 8700K @ Stock - Win11 64 - 64gb RAM - RTX 3080 12gb OC
OnlyforDCS Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Hang on, you are telling us that you can't beat the Mig-15 in your F-15 in a guns only fight? Seriously? Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
GGTharos Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 How about a video or a track? More likely you're just playing the MiG-15's game, and you're not actually as good as energy management as you think you are ... otherwise you wouldn't be posting this question ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Exorcet Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 The MiG is a better Korea war dogfighter than the F-15 by design. You can't try to fight it that way. The MiG likes to fly at speeds the F-15 won't see other than at landing and takeoff. You can just go full burner and plow through the air to kill the MiG by turning with it, but the F-15 won't like it. Get the MiG to try and go vertical with you and it will have major problems though. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files
VikingTsunami Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Yepp, gotta energy fight, BnZ on him, you can't turn with him.. Should be extremely easy to take him down in the F15 if you are patient.. [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic18896_1.gif[/sIGPIC]
Dirty Rotten Flieger Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Mig15 control reverse at transonic speeds so just Bnz him at hi speed. he can't follow you at all. on the other hand Mig15 is awesome at slow speed loops. Don't slow down and play his game
wilbur81 Posted March 24, 2015 Author Posted March 24, 2015 No, I can definitely beat the Mig-15 GUNZO... every time. But my post was regarding why it is so different than the other AI aircraft. Xtri's post was most helpful: "if you are patient". I guess I'm not. :-) i7 8700K @ Stock - Win11 64 - 64gb RAM - RTX 3080 12gb OC
wilbur81 Posted March 24, 2015 Author Posted March 24, 2015 GG, How about you post me a video and show me how it's done? :-) i7 8700K @ Stock - Win11 64 - 64gb RAM - RTX 3080 12gb OC
wilbur81 Posted March 24, 2015 Author Posted March 24, 2015 GG, How about you post me a video and show me how it's done? :-) i7 8700K @ Stock - Win11 64 - 64gb RAM - RTX 3080 12gb OC
GGTharos Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 I don't post videos, sorry. And a video wouldn't help anyway - this is a matter of understanding the bandit's flight vs your flight. You don't get that from a video. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
ironmarc Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 This story reminds me of that Hawker Sea Fury that managed to shoot down a MiG15 during the Korean Wars. Probably the MiG15 pilot slowed down and levelled the fight with the Sea Fury, taking his own advantage away. Still, if the energy management was done right, the MiG15 would be able to easily get away from the Sea Fury if he got his back, the difference in power was big enough. But it's good training. Trying to beat the MiG15 at it's own game with a F15 or Su27. I'm gonna try that while flying with the Fishbed.
wilbur81 Posted March 24, 2015 Author Posted March 24, 2015 Yeah, Ironmarc. That is interesting. F-15 DACT with these older jets is fun. I find the Mig-21 a quicker kill with guns than the Mig-15. I just realized I've neglected to fight the Sabre. History would suggest the Mig-15 has a slight maneuverability-advantage over the 86, but would still be fun. i7 8700K @ Stock - Win11 64 - 64gb RAM - RTX 3080 12gb OC
BitMaster Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Wilbur, you do now that DCS wants 64 bit ?? XP in your signature.... just saying. Bit Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Sapphire Nitro+ 7800XT - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus XG27ACG QHD 180Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X
wilbur81 Posted March 25, 2015 Author Posted March 25, 2015 I don't have XP anymore...old signature. Not a big forum guy. i7 8700K @ Stock - Win11 64 - 64gb RAM - RTX 3080 12gb OC
wilbur81 Posted April 3, 2015 Author Posted April 3, 2015 Hang on, you are telling us that you can't beat the Mig-15 in your F-15 in a guns only fight? Seriously? Hey OFDCS, Why don't you post me a video of you doing some 1v1 (nose-to-nose) neutral start gunzo in the Eagle vs. the Mig15 (set on excellent) so I can see and learn from your mad skills? i7 8700K @ Stock - Win11 64 - 64gb RAM - RTX 3080 12gb OC
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