Ultra Posted May 22, 2015 Posted May 22, 2015 This is a feature request. Feel free to move if this is the wrong spot. Does the SU-25T have differential, pedal braking IRL? And if so, can we have that implemented in the sim?
ED Team NineLine Posted May 22, 2015 ED Team Posted May 22, 2015 Don't know if this is helpful... http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1594951&postcount=2 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Ultra Posted May 22, 2015 Author Posted May 22, 2015 Interesting, that does help. I guess my next question is: is it implemented this way in the sim, where the rudder can be used for differential braking?
ED Team NineLine Posted May 22, 2015 ED Team Posted May 22, 2015 Interesting, that does help. I guess my next question is: is it implemented this way in the sim, where the rudder can be used for differential braking? I'm not 100% sure, but I dont think so, but I dont fly that bird much... Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Ultra Posted May 22, 2015 Author Posted May 22, 2015 I'll test it out later. I haven't flown it in a long time. I was getting back into it and came in crooked on landing, then realized I couldn't use the brakes to straighten her out. :D
ED Team NineLine Posted May 22, 2015 ED Team Posted May 22, 2015 I'll test it out later. I haven't flown it in a long time. I was getting back into it and came in crooked on landing, then realized I couldn't use the brakes to straighten her out. :D I know the manual talks about that, that you must disengage the brakes to straighten yourself out, so not sure if thats how the real one is, or if thats just a tip for the sim. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Ultra Posted May 22, 2015 Author Posted May 22, 2015 OK so.... I did a few landings and switched to F2 while I was rolling to see the results. On normal landing it seems that the nose wheel is unlocked at any speed and is controlled by the rudder as usual. I'm not sure if there's a button to lock it or if you're supposed to. To test the differential braking, I blew the tire on the nose wheel and tried turning at high speed. The turning ability was greatly reduced. This makes me believe that in the sim the nose wheel is reponsible for turning on the ground and there is little or no differential braking help. But overall it's sort of hard to tell for sure.
Dr_Arrow Posted June 9, 2015 Posted June 9, 2015 The real Su-25 has no differential braking. Turning is done as depicted in the sim by operating the front wheel using pedals. However IRL you can lock the front wheel (you have a switch in the cockpit for that - UPR KOLES above landing gear/flaps indicator) - simulator does not allow you to lock the front wheel.
Ultra Posted June 9, 2015 Author Posted June 9, 2015 That would make sense. I would think they would want to lock the nose wheel when landing at speed.
Bucic Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 (edited) The real Su-25 has no differential braking. Turning is done as depicted in the sim by operating the front wheel using pedals. However IRL you can lock the front wheel (you have a switch in the cockpit for that - UPR KOLES above landing gear/flaps indicator) - simulator does not allow you to lock the front wheel. Are you sure? The fact that brakes are engaged using a single lever does not mean there's no differential braking. There can be a proportional distribution valve distributing specific pressure to braking cylinders of each wheel based on the position of rudder pedals. I don't have any specific info on the braking system of Su-25 but if I had to guess this would be my bet. What gives you the impression there's no differential braking in the DCS module? On Su-25T brakes - toe pedals do not work by design, because on the real airplane the breaks are on a stick (a lever I guess, or a button). Differential braking is achieved by using rudder input+the brake command. Hope this helps. If I'm right with what I wrote above the quote would also indicate that the in-game implementation is not complete [if there's no brake axis to assign]. I'm going to check with the reference material on Su-22. They both should share the same solution. Edited June 10, 2015 by Bucic F-5E simpit cockpit dimensions and flight controls Kill the Bloom - shader glow mod Poor audio Doppler effect in DCS [bug] Trees - huge performance hit especially up close
Dr_Arrow Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 (edited) I must apologize, there is a differential brake in RL Su-25A, I've consulted with a former Su-25 technician today who I work with. Differential brakes are controlled by depressing the pedals as there is no central brake lever on a stick (only emergency brake as a switch), thus the feature is indeed missing. Sorry once more for misleading information. Pilot's manual of Su-25 states that the aircraft should be controlled during first half of takeoff run by differential brakes and steerable frontwheel, in the second half of the run only by the rudder. It also states that steering wheel should be locked before landing. Edited June 10, 2015 by Dr_Arrow 1
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