KillarZ Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Just playing around with PC builds. Curious to know your thoughts on how well something like this would run DCS. What's your expected FPS on your expected settings? I know it's not out yet but how well do you think it will do when DCS World 2 is out? http://pcpartpicker.com/p/C8mhXL
cichlidfan Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Since we have no idea about actual performance metrics for DCS 2.0. Nobody, outside of ED and the testers, can answer that question with any authority whatsoever. EDIT: I am about to build a new machine myself, but I still wouldn't hazard a guess as to what kind of performance I will get with DCS 2.0, aside from 'better'. :) ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
PureEvil Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 PowerColor Radeon R9 280X 3GB TurboDuo Video Card - change it to nvidia card and you'll be fine ))) what you've got now? STEAM asus p8z68-v gen3, 2600k@4,5ghz(w/c), 16gb, 1080ti(w/c), ch fighterstick/gvl224-4000-8, ch pro throttle, Oculus Rift CV1+Touch, thrustmaster tx
tovivan Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 No offense to anyone involved, but I've seen 7 years old posts on this forum talking about DCS World 2 coming out "soon" and speculations what improvements will it have and if current or future builds will be good for it. I am getting new specs as well, but I'm not cosidering DCSW2 as a factor in building. Nor do I expect DCSW2 to improve performance any when it comes out - bitter experience learned years ago with other titles where sequels were even worse optimised than original games. If it does, both come out and improve performance, nobody will be more glad than I. :) To wrap up, my suggestion is to approach your build with the intent of making it as good (strong/stable) as you can on your budget without the pressure of holding it up to a game if it holds up. :)
KillarZ Posted July 29, 2015 Author Posted July 29, 2015 No offense to anyone involved, but I've seen 7 years old posts on this forum talking about DCS World 2 coming out "soon" and speculations what improvements will it have and if current or future builds will be good for it. I am getting new specs as well, but I'm not considering DCSW2 as a factor in building. Nor do I expect DCSW2 to improve performance any when it comes out - bitter experience learned years ago with other titles where sequels were even worse optimized than original games. If it does, both come out and improve performance, nobody will be more glad than I. :) To wrap up, my suggestion is to approach your build with the intent of making it as good (strong/stable) as you can on your budget without the pressure of holding it up to a game if it holds up. :) I wasn't nearly as focused on DCS World 2 as it may seem. I was curious to know specifically how you think the graphics card and process would hold up for DCS as it currently stands. However, if anyone had any idea or guesstimate on how it would run on DCS World 2 than I wouldn't mind hearing that opinion too. But my focus was on how well do you think a build like this can perform in DCS world as it is now. Interested in hearing rough ideas and possibly advice specifically on the graphics card and processor from people who may have had similar hardware.
tovivan Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Fair enough. :beer: Hopefully a tester or a dev will speak out and clear this up because many people would be interested.
Demon_ Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) PowerColor Radeon R9 280X 3GB TurboDuo Video Card - change it to nvidia card and you'll be fine ))) Agree The 280X (250w) need a 600w power supply. The Seagate ST1000DM003 is cheaper and faster: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003 http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/hdd-charts-2013/-04-Write-Throughput-Average-h2benchw-3.16,2904.html Edited July 29, 2015 by Demon_ Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche.
cichlidfan Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Hopefully a tester or a dev will speak out and clear this up because many people would be interested. Those folks are all under NDAs so unless Wags decides to discuss it during one of his videos, I wouldn't hope for much. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
MegOhm_SD Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Since we have no idea about actual performance metrics for DCS 2.0. Nobody, outside of ED and the testers, can answer that question with any authority whatsoever. EDIT: I am about to build a new machine myself, but I still wouldn't hazard a guess as to what kind of performance I will get with DCS 2.0, aside from 'better'. :) Wags stated in one of the livestreams (1st?) that a tester was getting double the frame rates in Crossfire in 2.0. Dont be so quick to count out AMD cards. I have been very happy with my 295Rx2 8 GB card from day one. This little system I built last year benchmarked at better than 99% of the systems tested then and still stands at 96% today. No issues running DCS all maxed...so I look forward to 2.0. Maybe I should try and OC the card (haven't yet). I'm betting 2.0 will cruise along pretty well. So for the OP...Get two of those cards and put them in Crossfire. http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/3213004 Edited July 30, 2015 by MegOhm_SD Cooler Master HAF XB EVO , ASUS P8Z77-V, i7-3770K @ 4.6GHz, Noctua AC, 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro, EVGA 1080TI 11GB, 2 Samsung 840 Pro 540GB SSDs Raid 0, 1TB HDD, EVGA SuperNOVA 1300W PS, G930 Wireless SS Headset, TrackIR5/Wireless Proclip, TM Warthog, Saitek Pro Combat Pedals, 75" Samsung 4K QLED, HP Reverb G2, Win 10
tovivan Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 Those folks are all under NDAs so unless Wags decides to discuss it during one of his videos, I wouldn't hope for much. Yeah, I think so too. Just didn't find words to say it well (English is not my first language) and didn't want to draw flak unnecessarily. :beer:
tovivan Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Wags stated in one of the livestreams (1st?) that a tester was getting double the frame rates in Crossfire in 2.0. Okay, I can believe that. BUT with statements like this you have to consider several points: 1. what specs does the tester's system have 2. how many of the tester team (%) actually achieved same or similar results 3. were the results stable or just a one time spike in performance, in other words, record 4. was the system built specifically for DCS or even specifically for DCS 2 using the insider knowledge that he possesses and we don't, plus with him having direct access to programmers for input 5. what were his video settings 6. did he have anything else on his computer aside from the barebone game and barebone OS (compared to us having tons of litter and trash on our drives :D ) 7. was he in "singleplayer" or flying in tester network with others 8. what was the mission - was it an empty world without AI or other players or were there AI, scrips, players, etc. 9. what map was it, which section of it, was it Caucasus or another map, how cluttered is it, how cluttered the section, how high was he flying, in which view was he in (I too can get 70 fps, looking at MiG29 from the front, at 10km alt, but get only about 25 in MiG-21 at lower alt) 10. how old/new was his system 11. how many people can afford his version of crossfire 12. and how many people can actually afford his system - To explain my train of thought I will put it in terms more familiar to ME: I see it as comparing a professional racer, supported by a factory team, taking their racebike on a track for which the bike was specifically tuned and prepared; compared to taking a race bike that was not tuned for that track or, more extremely, just some rider who does a track day with his sportbike that he uses on street on those tires. The pro, with his prepared bike, will obviously have the best scores. Please don't think I'm being a p-ick, but as an owner of perennially underdog systems and one who has seen too many times how promises then sometimes come out in reality (not just in gaming) and with how many years DCS 2 has been promised (and postponed), I tend to be wary. EDIT: some more points Edited July 30, 2015 by tovivan
KillarZ Posted July 30, 2015 Author Posted July 30, 2015 Agree The 280X (250w) need a 600w power supply. The Seagate ST1000DM003 is cheaper and faster: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003 http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/hdd-charts-2013/-04-Write-Throughput-Average-h2benchw-3.16,2904.html You really think I need a better PSU or different GPU? I haven't looked too much into it, but I don't see a card that can perform better within the same price range.
Demon_ Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 PSU REQUIREMENTS - RealHardTechX Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche.
tovivan Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 Just watching this right now: Wag says that with L-39 they'll be releasing DCS 1.5, which according to him is actually DCS 2.0 without the Nevada and Straits maps. From the point I've seen till now (only 6 min into the video) there's no blunt mention of optimisation, but he mentions new effects, etc. Definitely worth a watch, together with the L-39 showcase:
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