Basic things about the Messerschmitt Bf-109

IIIJG52_Otto_ · August 29, 2015

Basic things that everybody who try to fly the Bf-109 should know. ;)

Now you can give your opinion on the meaning of the next phrase of Volkar Bau, Chief test pilot of the flugmuseum-Messerschmitt, said in the minute 3:11 :

"" The perfect handling quality of this Messerschmitt aircraft, is absolutely great ""

It's funny !, .. he does say anything about the airplane "impossible to trim", as Yo-Yo states from the beginning. why? :music_whistling:

I'm anxious to listen what Klaus Plasa, and Erich Brunotte had said, about the elevator trim of the Bf-109. ;)

Solty · August 29, 2015

He also said that the plane has inssuficient rudder to keep the aircraft straight during takeoff as the rudder is smaller than in Piper 18 and plane has directional stability problem during take off. So that is interesting to me.

The rest seemed too vague to get any conclusion from it.

IIIJG52_Otto_ · August 29, 2015

He also said that the plane has inssuficient rudder to keep the aircraft straight during takeoff as the rudder is smaller than in Piper 18 and plane has directional stability problem during take off. So that is interesting to me.

The rest seemed too vague to get any conclusion from it.

yes of course, He said (in minute 2:43) that the 109, have directional stability problem during take off, "because TREMENDOUS TORQUE and small rudder in size than a Pipper 18".

In minute 2:51, He said, "If i'm too fast on the throttle, I will be on the left side of the runway, quick easily."

In minute 3:22, He said; "accelerates immediately"

Do You feel "immediate acceleration" in DCS:Bf-109K4, (in airspeed, or torque) when you push the throttle quickly?? :music_whistling:

Them the basic problem is; Instant acceleration, and BIG TORQUE, no time to correct with rudder.

He say nothing about lack of rudder authority in flight. :music_whistling:

Edited August 30, 2015 by III/JG52_Otto_+

venancio.avf · August 30, 2015

isn't the K4 tail a little bigger than the G4?

IIIJG52_Otto_ · August 30, 2015

isn't the K4 tail a little bigger than the G4?

Yes it is. The rudder of the Bf-109K4 is a 10 or 15% bigger than this G4, it is 135mm (5.3 inches) taller than Gustav.

Bf-109K4 rudder is equipped with Flettner-tab, that is a kind of servo-tab, who minimise the force needed to operate the rudder pedals, improving the rudder handling.

MFG62 Joker · August 30, 2015

It's funny !, .. he does say anything about the airplane "impossible to trim", as Yo-Yo states from the beginning. why? :music_whistling:
I'm anxious to listen what Klaus Plasa, and Erich Brunotte had said, about the elevator trim of the Bf-109. ;)

I really like, that you put so much work into this video.

:thumbup:

What I really do not like at all is this always picking on things.

Even if you were right, I dislike the 'smartassy' aproach that you take. To be honest:

this is pickin on my nervs! :mad:

Sometimes it´s just better to show some respect for what others achieve.

You dont like it? Surely with such an aproach there will not many people out there listening.

Did you ever wonder?

Edited August 30, 2015 by I./ZG15_FALKE

SlipBall · August 30, 2015

I think its good to have these FM discussions, individuals bringing up FM inaccuracy's not noticed by others, is the only way to have them addressed.

Sporg · August 30, 2015

I think its good to have these FM discussions, individuals bringing up FM inaccuracy's not noticed by others, is the only way to have them addressed.

The problem is when some people keep bringing the same things up, even if they have been addressed several times.

That is honestly just tiring..

SlipBall · August 30, 2015

Lets face it this forum is not very active, I welcome any post or thread...too bad so many of them wind up prematurely locked up IMO :)...you above, just don't read them but do let others

IIIJG52_Otto_ · August 30, 2015

I really like, that you put so much work into this video.
:thumbup:

What I really do not like at all is this always picking on things.
Even if you were right, I dislike the 'smartassy' aproach that you take. To be honest:
this is pickin on my nervs! :mad:

Sometimes it´s just better to show some respect for what others achieve.
You dont like it? Surely with such an aproach there will not many people out there listening.
Did you ever wonder?

Excuse me, for "my smartass approach":smartass:.. I´m trying to write in the forum in relaxed tone, not as a formal letter. I think everybody do that. Relax your nerves, please. :)

Some people and I, are reporting some bug about Bf-109 from the first release of the module,

Yo-Yo and Sithspawn, say me "you are wrong", but some time after, we can see some little changes to fixing the bug that we are reporting, and, they were stating that " that is not a bug".

Elevator trim,+CoG+unstability; are one of this "cyst" problem, that everybody is commenting as separate things, but they are associated.

I think, this video is a evidence of something. In opinion of this test pilot the Bf-109 flight perfectly, Volker Bau says "Perfect handling quality",

What the meaning of "Perfect handling quality"?

wing drop in tight turn like DCS K4 (today)?

tail heavy and unstability?

I think that Volker Bau says, is agrees with the commentary of the Bf-109 Finnish ww2 Ace Väinö Pokela who said: "It flew like on rails even when shooting."

If everybody here is convinced that DSC:Bf-109K4 today, is "flying like on rails", and with "perfect handling quality" and "instant acceleration".

Tell me here and now, and I give up. :pilotfly:

Edited August 30, 2015 by III/JG52_Otto_+

Ala13_ManOWar · August 30, 2015

Yes, 109 has perfect stability, "like on rails". Mate, buy a new joystick please... :lol: :smilewink:

S!

NineLine · August 30, 2015

It's funny !, .. he does say anything about the airplane "impossible to trim", as Yo-Yo states from the beginning. why? :music_whistling:
I'm anxious to listen what Klaus Plasa, and Erich Brunotte had said, about the elevator trim of the Bf-109. ;)

You need to read what has been written, Yo-Yo never ever said the 109 is impossible to trim, I have stated many times that I can trim the aircraft not only level, but so it is nose heavy. So again, you have a thread locked because you chose to either not read what is written, or ignore it for your own designs.

We wont be rehashing this again, I suggest you revisit the forum rules as well... reposting stuff that has been addressed is a violation.