warthog throttle switches ...

[simo1000rr]

the toggle switches on the warthog throttle can they be used as modifier in the control option?

[Hansolo]

Yes but you have to assign them fr it. I have my joystick paddle switch set for a modifier.

 

Cheers

Hans

[dburne]

Yes but you have to assign them fr it. I have my joystick paddle switch set for a modifier.

 

Cheers

Hans

 

I am with you there, I use the paddle as well, very easy to use it as a modifier for combination presses.

 

I could see maybe setting a toggle on the throttle as a switch rather than a modifier though.

But hey, any buttons can be assigned as switches /modifiers.

[Sokol1_br]

The toggle switches on throttle will be practical as "SWITCHES" - the permanent modifier in Controls.

 

Example of "SWITCHES" usage - Mig 21:

 

At mission start the joystick trigger is wheel brakes.

In flight, pressing the "SWITCHES" - key Scrool Lock there, no toggle switches available - the trigger now fire weapons. ;)

 

In RTB, press the "SWITCHES" again and trigger turn back to wheel brake lever.

 

The in game "SWITCHES" result in similar use of HOTAS soft "modes".

 

A physical toggle switch on throttle have the benefit of visual feedback, based on his position, if "SWITCHES" are ON or OFF.

[simo1000rr]

The paddle key is good as a quick modifier in a quick situation but The reason im asking if the switches can work as a permanent modifier is so that I can have one key serving more than one purpose.

To elaborate more on that, an example I want to do is the hat switch ( POV ) on the joystick . I want to use this hat switch to control the Radar (TDC) during the phase of air to air engagement and during navigation flying or take off and landing I want to use it to control the landing gear, flaps and air brake. by using the toggle switch as a modifier I think i can achieve that, so I want to assign one toggle switch as a permanent modifier so that lets say when the toggle switch is in the Up position it will be air to air engagement in this phase the POV switch will control the radar TDC , If I flip the switch to the down position the POV hat will control the navigation phase ( air brake , landing gear , flaps ) , When I toggle the switch to the middle position then no modifier is pressed and the hat can be controlling something else like trim . That’s the idea I want to do. Someone can correct me on that if it’s possible or not?

[Hansolo]

Apart from the fact that I am unsure why you want to map the POV hat for flaps/air brakes as they are already on the throttle then it should be possible.

However you need to take into account some of the switches which shall have the same function at all times. They will have to triple mapped. Let's say you want to use the gun 1st trigger at all times for guns.

 

Situation 1 – modifier switch middle position:

Gun trigger is mapped to gun

POW – trim

 

Situation 2 – modifier switch up position:

Gun trigger plus modifier up mapped to gun

POW plus modifier up mapped to TDC cursor

 

Situation 3 – modifier switch down position:

Gun trigger plus modifier down mapped to gun

POW trigger plus modifier down mapped to air brake, landing gear, flaps

 

If you do not map the gun trigger three times then it will not work in all situations. I am currently not at the game PC but seem to recall it should be possible for more mapping per function. As an alternative then perhaps T.A.R.G.E.T. software by Thrustmaster may be a better option for achieving this functions. The setup of this however is far outside my capabilities. Sorry

 

Cheers

Hans

[simo1000rr]

Apart from the fact that I am unsure why you want to map the POV hat for flaps/air brakes as they are already on the throttle .

 

I thought that the switches on the throttle cant be used for flaps and gears .... my understanding is that the switch will remain in its position meaning that its like holding down a key on the keyboard. can i for example use the switch for gear up and gear down .. like if th switch is up the gear is up and if the switch is down the gear is down .

 

I know you can do this in TARGET but i dont know how to use target and i dont have the time to understand it .

[Hansolo]

You should. I use the throttle flap switch F15C flaps and the speed brake switch for F15C speed brake. Before I start digging a hole I can't get out, which A/C are you flying?

 

Cheers

Hans

[simo1000rr]

You should. I use the throttle flap switch F15C flaps and the speed brake switch for F15C speed brake. Before I start digging a hole I can't get out, which A/C are you flying?

 

Cheers

Hans

 

im flying the F15 and i want to configure the hotas to be able to use it on the F15 . my problem is that if use the TARGET software i dont know how to assign the axis for thrust inside the game option . :helpsmilie:

 

The manual didn't say anything about how to asign the axis inside the game option after i make a profile . In theory the manual say that once you start TARGET the controller is virtually disconnected so i dont know how im suppose to assign the throttle lever for the thrust control .

 

Another thing is that there are 2 axis for the thrust on the controller one is left and one is right which one should i assign for the thrust in the game or should i assign the right lever for the right engine and the left lever for the left engine . im sorry if im asking you too much question its just im a bit lost.

Edited December 7, 2015 by simo1000rr

[Sokol1_br]

Why you don't try a TARGET profile already made:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=116454

[dburne]

The manual didn't say anything about how to asign the axis inside the game option after i make a profile . In theory the manual say that once you start TARGET the controller is virtually disconnected so i dont know how im suppose to assign the throttle lever for the thrust control .

 

You assign the axis in game the same way you would normally, just do it with the TARGET profile running.

 

When you run a script ( profile), TARGET does disconnect the two controllers but connects them as one virtual controller.

So with the profile running, you will still have your axis that you can assign from within the game. You can then set each of your axis up in game as you prefer.

[simo1000rr]

Why you don't try a TARGET profile already made:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=116454

 

i already looked at this ike 10 times trying t understand the map and i couldn't i even printed it at work and kept looking trying to figure out what is that and no luck

[hansangb]

Take a look at this:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=153039&highlight=rule

 

Or this one:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=138953

 

It's not quite so advanced, and it may be useful.

Edited December 7, 2015 by hansangb

[Sokol1_br]

I thought that the switches on the throttle cant be used for flaps and gears .... my understanding is that the switch will remain in its position meaning that its like holding down a key on the keyboard. can i for example use the switch for gear up and gear down .. like if th switch is up the gear is up and if the switch is down the gear is down .

 

You can map the 3 position swtiches (flaps, gear...) direct in game controls, but need edit LUA files, the theory:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=89226&highlight=warthog+position+switches

[Hansolo]

It also depends how much effort you want to put into it. I just did a quick test without knowing what you have mapped.

 

If you e.g. map the autopilot switch (3-way) on the Throttle;

ALT position = Landing gear Down

PATH position = Landing gead up

Then you have landing gear working. It might be a better idea to use the pinky switch on the left side of left throttle in the same way.

 

 

On the right hand isde of right throttle the top grey 3-way switch;

Forward position = Airbrake Off

Aft position = Airbrake On

I have mine mapped this way.

 

The flap switch on the left base on the throttle;

Forward position = flaps up

Aft position = Flaps landing position

I have this as well

 

Yes compared to editing lua code you loose the function of the two center positions, but you are ready to go almost instant.

Mind you also that I rarely fly the Eagle thus ther might be a better mapping suited when you fly a lot.

 

Cheers

Hans

[hansangb]

That's why I think the link below is a good compromise. You get one TM script to configure your throttle. This way, you map the functions in the game w/o losing any of the 3-way switches. And it's universal. And the joystick mapping works in the game w/o any modification so nothing special is required.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=138953

[simo1000rr]

That's why I think the link below is a good compromise. You get one TM script to configure your throttle. This way, you map the functions in the game w/o losing any of the 3-way switches. And it's universal. And the joystick mapping works in the game w/o any modification so nothing special is required.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=138953

 

Ya i was going to apply this one but the author of this script told me that it doesnt work with 1.5 or 2.0 so i couldn't use it . i think i will just have to suck it and learn how to use TARGET with all its complicated stuff , Can someone confirm if TARGET works with DCS 2.0 or no

[dburne]

Can someone confirm if TARGET works with DCS 2.0 or no

 

Absolutely no reason it should not.

[Sokol1_br]

Ya i was going to apply this one but the author of this script told me that it doesnt work with 1.5 or 2.0 so i couldn't use it .

 

This profile seems don't have issues with 1.50/2.0 and is "universal" for all planes, you just need assign buttons in game GUI.

In this TARGET send button/key press (DX## + modifier and not only keys).

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=153039

 

Example 2.

Consider the 3 position FLAP switch.

FWD sends DX22, AFT sends DX23 and back to MIDDLE send a pulse of RIGHT SHIFT + DX22.

 

In DCS for any model, for any switch, you just configure how you want the switch to work.

 

For say the Dora flaps, configure Normal flight to DX22, Take Off position to RIGHT SHIFT + DX22 and for Landing position, DX23.

Your flap switch will now work correctly without MODs to any files.

Edited December 9, 2015 by Sokol1_br

[simo1000rr]

This profile seems don't have issues with 1.50/2.0 and is "universal" for all planes, you just need assign buttons in game GUI.

In this TARGET send button/key press (DX## + modifier and not only keys).

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=153039

 

I think this is the one i will go with since it seems alot easier than messing around with TARGET . thanks for your help, i know ive been asking alot but its just im not as good as you guys with programming

[dburne]

I think this is the one i will go with since it seems alot easier than messing around with TARGET . thanks for your help, i know ive been asking alot but its just im not as good as you guys with programming

 

TARGET certainly has a learning curve, but the power of what one can do with it is quite extensive.

 

I would suggest in the meantime have a read in the TARGET manual - several times. It does seem daunting, but once you get into the wheat of it and get to doing it, it starts to come naturally.

 

Now having said that, I have used TARGET for most of my flight sims for some time now. Having recently though got back into DCS after 1.5 was released, I decided to start using the game GUI to set my controls up - so far I am ok with that as it is pretty detailed in what it can do. But as I progress and need more functionality I may well go back to TARGET for DCS as well.