Jateu Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 Hi all. I've noticed a few people saying about a drop in fps with the gtx980ti vs original lower spec graphics cards. Has anyone got to the bottom of this issue? James
scheffchen Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 wait for pascal! greets boris 9900k, 2080TI, 64GB, ssd, valve index, Thrustmaster on virpil, virpil cm2 throttle, tpr pedals, mfd.
Enduro14 Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 Im kind of in same boat want to trade my two 980 for a 980 ti for the bigger vram and no hassle of sli and also will have my CV1 in April any idea when pascal is coming? Intel 8700k @5ghz, 32gb ram, 1080ti, Rift S
j0nx Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) I have a 970 and a 980ti. Used to have 970SLI before upgrading to a 980ti. The performance in DCS with a single monitor or in surround with either card is the same. 3D surround on the other hand is muchhhh faster with the 980ti than the 970 because it has to render each screen twice. VR will be pretty power hungry as well rendering 3 separate screens so I'm a firm believer that a 980ti for VR will give you the same increases in performance that it gave me for 3d surround. SLI for DCS is a broken mess right now and only more so if you throw in VR into the equation with those driver issues that remain unsolved so I highly recommend against SLI for VR for now. A 980ti is the way to go for at least the next year imo because pascal isn't even slated to come out before EOY anyway from what I have read. In fact nvidia was MIA with an actual prototype at CES and there's a lot of speculation out there that they didn't even have a working prototype to show so EOY may even be ambitious for them. What they showed at CES as a pascal was speculated to be in fact a 980. The last time they pulled this stunt the new cards were delayed. Edited January 19, 2016 by j0nx ROTORCRAFT RULE GB Aorus Ultra Z390| 8700K @ 4.9GHz | 32 GB DDR4 3000 | MSI GTX 1080ti | Corsair 1000HX | Silverstone FT02-WRI | Nvidia 3D Vision Surround | Windows 10 Professional X64 Volair Sim Cockpit, Rift S, Saitek X-55 HOTAS, Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals, Microsoft FF2, OE-XAM Bell 206 Collective, C-Tek anti-torque pedals UH-1, SA342, Mi-8, KA50, AV8B, P-51D, A-10C, L39, F86, Yak, NS-430, Nevada, Normandy, Persian Gulf
Jateu Posted January 19, 2016 Author Posted January 19, 2016 I hear Pascal is not for gaming. nvidia has never mentioned gaming in it remit for the pascal.
scheffchen Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 it could actually be true that pascal is delayed... but you´ll never know. I would surely wait for CV1 to appear with first benchmarks for gtx 980ti and probably pascal.. then decide again. buying a gtx 980ti now does not make sense: If pascal appears together with CV1, you´re sad, and if not - then you can still buy a 980ti which will be cheaper by then. Maybe dcs 2 will be in a fair "post-alpha" state also at that point... 9900k, 2080TI, 64GB, ssd, valve index, Thrustmaster on virpil, virpil cm2 throttle, tpr pedals, mfd.
Shogun0 Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 I ended up getting a 980Ti because I was on an old laptop that was on its last leg. I didn't have the luxury of waiting. From what I read in the benchmark thread that is really well done, it isn't that 980Ti performs worse. It is simply that in DCS, there seems to be a bottleneck somewhere that doesn't give you any additional performance past a certain card. I want to say it was the 970. Don't quote me on that though, it is in the benchmark thread and I am on mobile so I can't look it up. VFA-25 Fist of the Fleet [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Virtual Carrier Strike Group One | Discord
Jateu Posted January 19, 2016 Author Posted January 19, 2016 So we spend all this money on high end equipment and tech and DCS cannot give us what we want.
Jateu Posted January 19, 2016 Author Posted January 19, 2016 Has DCS got anywhere with sli? I'm confused really. I want the rift cv1 and to run the rift I need at least the gtx970 but I think to my self why not future proof a little. So I think let's have the gtx980ti. But because of software issues I can't use the hard wear. And this meaning the rift will be useless! And even if I wait for pascal it looks like DCS will have an even bigger bottle neck to deal with on that! Can anyone shed a bit of light on this for me please.
Frusheen Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) Has DCS got anywhere with sli? I'm confused really. I want the rift cv1 and to run the rift I need at least the gtx970 but I think to my self why not future proof a little. So I think let's have the gtx980ti. But because of software issues I can't use the hard wear. And this meaning the rift will be useless! And even if I wait for pascal it looks like DCS will have an even bigger bottle neck to deal with on that! Can anyone shed a bit of light on this for me please. Traditional Sli is undesirable for VR. It increases latency. For multiple graphics cards we need gameworksVR (Nvidia) or liquidVR (AMD). Both of these APIs are still in development and are not yet available for DCS. For the time being a single card will be better for VR. As to the question on the 970. The gtx970 is the minimum spec for oculus launch titles. That is games which will be available in the oculus store and have been especially developed for VR. DCS is not one of those titles (unless eagle dynamics have a relationship with oculus that we don't know about). We don't know yet what will be a minimum for DCS until they release their oculus implementation using the consumer runtime (1.0). They have access too it and are working on it at the moment. The runtime is due to be released to consumers by the end of March. Hopefully features of the associated SDK will be rolled out in a DCS update soon after. It will add asynchronous timewarp and other performance enhancing features. This coupled with optimizations to EDGE (which is still Alpha) will give us a better idea of where we stand. My advice to those considering an upgrade is to wait a few months if possible. Single card will most likely be the best option initially. If we get the nvidia and AMD VR APIs implemented down the road then that'll be a bonus and will mean two cards will perform better (one card per eye/screen). Edited January 20, 2016 by Frusheen __________________________________________________Win 10 64bit | i7 7700k delid @ 5.1gHz | 32Gb 3466mhz TridentZ memory | Asus ROG Apex motherboard | Asus ROG Strix 1080Ti overclocked Komodosim Cyclic | C-tek anti torque pedals and collective | Warthog stick and throttle | Oculus Rift CV1 | KW-908 Jetseat | Buttkicker with Simshaker for Aviators RiftFlyer VR G-Seat project: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2733051#post2733051
Fab Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 I use Oculus DK2, and DCS is handling it nice. It wont be as much your graficcards, as your CPU that cant deliver in time. But hold on to your socks, your in for a blast, when you leaver your 2D world and sink into the 3D... Intel Core i7-6700K Cpu 4.00 GHz OC 4.8 GHz Water Cooled|32 GB DDR4 ram OC| Nvidia RTX 2080Ti| TrustMaster Warthog|Saitek Battle Pro Pedals | Logitec G13| Oculus Rift S :joystick: I´m in for a ride, a VR ride:pilotfly: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBX_-Hml7_7s1dggit_vGpA?view_as=public
Oceandar Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) So we spend all this money on high end equipment and tech and DCS cannot give us what we want Your post reminded me something ironic that happened to me. I spend my money to upgrade the computer and now I can't afford to buy single DCS module.... Only the dead have seen the end of war - Plato Edited January 21, 2016 by Oceandar Wrong quote Mastering others is strength. Mastering yourself is true power. - Lao Tze
SimHog Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 I'd wait for Pascal, and even then I'd wait longer for the Ti model. http://wccftech.com/nvidia-flagship-pascal-gpu-2h-2016/ AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D @4.2Ghz | MSI MAG X670E Tomahawk | ADATA XPG 64GB 6000MHz CL30 DDR5 | Team Cardea A440 Pro M.2 PCIe Gen4 NVMe SSD 2TB | Sapphire NITRO+ RX 7900 XTX Vapor-X| PIMAX Crystal Light
Shogun0 Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 I'd wait for Pascal, and even then I'd wait longer for the Ti model. http://wccftech.com/nvidia-flagship-pascal-gpu-2h-2016/ But then you should wait for next year. But then the year after that will be better so wait for that. So you should wait forever because surely we will reach a point where something better won't be coming out. :) VFA-25 Fist of the Fleet [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Virtual Carrier Strike Group One | Discord
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