ZHeN Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 I assume you were able to reproduce the issue? If yes, why not save & post a short track showing the problem? That way we could look at it (or Razbam could, if need be). ++ Az' ok, boss, I'll try to make a small mission today [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
ZHeN Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 well, I did some testing and have to say I was wrong. ECM does not have any effect on heat seekers, neither do any of procedures I've listed before sorry for bothering, guys [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
SFJackBauer Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 Finally, balance is not evil, I wouldn't discard it "by default". I certainly don't mean we should "sacrifice all" for balance, but on the other hand if we have too many undermodeled systems vs overmodeled systems we'll not have any fun anymore flying together => bad policy for all, community/customers and editors. I'm happy ED retain some sort of "quality control" for the various modules, so that we don't have a FS-like environnement (because in DCS we fly against each other and not just side by side). As a long-time consumer of Eagle Dynamics, I strongly disagree. When the A-10C was introduced no effort was done to make the Frogfoots better in order to become level with the absolute beast the Warthog is against vehicles. I only hope that the RAZBAM team is asking themselves - when there will be another opportunity to model such an iconic fighter like the M2000 to this level of fidelity? No pressure guys... :)
PitbullVicious Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 By the way, how does the M-2000C's jammer "manifest" itself in other DCS / FC3 planes? Does it efficiently, for example, hide altitude information until burn-through? And how effective is it against F-15C and Su-27 radar, for example? As I've only flown the M-2000C and MiG-21bis online, I really haven't got an idea how well it works and what situations it would be most beneficial. i9-9900K @ 5.1GHz | MSI Ventus 3X OC RTX3090 24GB | 64GB 3200MHz DDR4 | Asus ROG Strix Z390-E | Asus Xonar DGX 5.1 Sound Card | Virpil T50CM2 base w/ F/A-18C / A-10C / Virpil T50CM2 Grip | WinWing Super Taurus Throttle | MFG pedals | TekCreations Hornet UFC, Landing Panel, Right Console | WinWing Hornet Combat Ready Panel | Buddy Fox UFC | Foxx Mount | 3 x TM Cougar MFD | HP Reverb G2 | Wacom Intuos S (with VRK) | Honeycomb Alpha Yoke | Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS | CH Fighter Stick Pro & Throttle | MS Sidewinder 2 FFB | Track IR 5 | Oculus Rift CV1 善く戦う者は、まず勝つべからざるを為して、以て敵の勝つべきを待つ。
Azrayen Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 (edited) As a long-time consumer of Eagle Dynamics, I strongly disagree. When the A-10C was introduced no effort was done to make the Frogfoots better in order to become level with the absolute beast the Warthog is against vehicles. Then you missed my point :) I'm perfectly aware (and totally confortable) with the fact that - you're absolutely right on that - no effort was made to change the Frogfoot. But ECM is not a "self-centric" system. By nature it works in relation with other radars, and other aircraft have other radars. So if you want "massive" change to ECM, that must apply to all aircraft because it's a "shared" thing. And I don't think the comparison you make is fully relevant, because A-10C don't fight Frogfoot (nor other aircraft). M-2000C does. I would add that A-10C ECM is not better than the other ones (it just looks more advanced, but to no specific effect so just eye-candy). I only hope that the RAZBAM team is asking themselves - when there will be another opportunity to model such an iconic fighter like the M2000 to this level of fidelity? They make a Harrier next. So, soon I guess ;) Edited April 26, 2016 by Azrayen typo
jojo Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 As a long-time consumer of Eagle Dynamics, I strongly disagree. When the A-10C was introduced no effort was done to make the Frogfoots better in order to become level with the absolute beast the Warthog is against vehicles. It's nit the same thing, the Frogfoot is not a Warthog killer or the opposite. So making one highly complex and the other one simplified has no direct influence on pilot's survival. M-2000C and MiG 29 are supposed to fight each over. Plus no one has M-2000C real ECM manual, it's a lot of guess work. So it makes sense to stick to DCS standards. Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
Fab Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 I've noticed R550s can't lock on targets if "music" is on. I'm not sure that's correct. Can you guys fix it in the next update? The Jammer is so powerfull on the Mirage, that it jammes its own radar irl Intel Core i7-6700K Cpu 4.00 GHz OC 4.8 GHz Water Cooled|32 GB DDR4 ram OC| Nvidia RTX 2080Ti| TrustMaster Warthog|Saitek Battle Pro Pedals | Logitec G13| Oculus Rift S :joystick: I´m in for a ride, a VR ride:pilotfly: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBX_-Hml7_7s1dggit_vGpA?view_as=public
nomdeplume Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 The Jammer is so powerfull on the Mirage, that it jammes its own radar irl All jammers do that to some extent, but AFAIK no EM jammers are so powerful they prevent IR missiles from locking on to a heat source. ;)
Annelid Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 The Jammer is so powerfull on the Mirage, that it jammes its own radar irl Mirage has no blanking?
Fab Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 I've noticed R550s can't lock on targets if "music" is on. I'm not sure that's correct. Can you guys fix it in the next update? The Jammer is so powerfull on the Mirage, that it jammes its own radar irl Intel Core i7-6700K Cpu 4.00 GHz OC 4.8 GHz Water Cooled|32 GB DDR4 ram OC| Nvidia RTX 2080Ti| TrustMaster Warthog|Saitek Battle Pro Pedals | Logitec G13| Oculus Rift S :joystick: I´m in for a ride, a VR ride:pilotfly: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBX_-Hml7_7s1dggit_vGpA?view_as=public
Zeus67 Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 Mirage has no blanking? No. It has a switch that allows the pilot to put the jammer on standby so he can use the radar. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
mattebubben Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 The Jammer is so powerfull on the Mirage, that it jammes its own radar irl That would not effect the R.550 And i dont think the way Internal ECM might disturb your own radar has been implemented. Since that is something that not only afflicts the Mirage 2000 but most fighters with internal ECM. But its not been implemented in the game.
Tarres Posted May 6, 2016 Posted May 6, 2016 Sorry for reopen the topic. The operation mode of the EW suite then would be: .- BR on: ECM system powered on. .- the VEI-square-PCM: ECM system running status, in our DCS-case; VEI: jammer powered on and in standby, square: operation (keybind E), PCM: not functional. .-DA: RWR power on/off/selftest; .-D2M: not functional in 2000C version; .-LL: Flare/chaff pods on/off; .-Rotary: A,1-10: auto or programmed chaff-flare sequences. Not functional in DCS. 11 positions and not the "discret positions" that we have for now. Is this correct? Thanks in advance.
PiedDroit Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 Sorry for reopen the topic. The operation mode of the EW suite then would be: .- BR on: ECM system powered on. .- the VEI-square-PCM: ECM system running status, in our DCS-case; VEI: jammer powered on and in standby, square: operation (keybind E), PCM: not functional. .-DA: RWR power on/off/selftest; .-D2M: not functional in 2000C version; .-LL: Flare/chaff pods on/off; .-Rotary: A,1-10: auto or programmed chaff-flare sequences. Not functional in DCS. 11 positions and not the "discret positions" that we have for now. Is this correct? Thanks in advance. Not sure about the Rotary, I don't know what it is. Rest is correct as far as I know except maybe the VEI-square-PCM, which is: VEI: standby []: Jammer ON, radar has priority PCM: Jammer ON, jammer priority However in the sim this is not implemented (as ECM model is too simple to take jammer strength/blanking in account) and has no effect. When you press keybind E it actually turns ECM ON/OFF directly (the BR ON/OFF switch) without interacting with the VEI-[]-PCM selector.
Tarres Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 Yes, I know the limitations about the DCS implementation. The list is more about "what the controls should be in the DCS M2000C". For example, separated ECM power on and ECM jammer on. Thanks PiedDroit.
PiedDroit Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 Yes, I know the limitations about the DCS implementation. The list is more about "what the controls should be in the DCS M2000C". For example, separated ECM power on and ECM jammer on. Thanks PiedDroit. Sure, I just wanted to put some details in front of VEI-[]-PCM. Also I agree 'E' should control the selector rather than the whole system ON/OFF, but if it doesn't make any difference anyway, it's OK like this.
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