Matra or normal missiles ? What's the difference ?

[Zarma]

All in the title....

[Tirak]

All in the title....

 

Matra's are RAZBAM's missiles, the normal are ED. The ED ones are unrealistic bricks. Always choose the Matras.

[Zarma]

What I was thinking. Thanks for the quick answer.

[Swordfish]

Matra 530 seem to be slightly more aerodynamic bricks. That want to marry Chaff.

 

The Magics seem ok to me

[jojo]

Matra 530 seem to be slightly more aerodynamic bricks. That want to marry Chaff.

 

The Magics seem ok to me

 

AIM-7M or R-27R won't perform better from aerodynamic point of view.

And I don't think they resist better to chaffs. But that is another issue...

[IASGATG]

The 530 out ranges both the 7M and the 27R

[Plushanubka]

Does it outrange 27ER?

[jojo]

Does it outrange 27ER?

 

I don't think so, and it's not supposed to outrange 27ER.

[Swordfish]

I have found the 27ER is similar range to the 530. I do find that the 530 is more easily defeated to chaff than the 27R however. I have not tried the AIM 7.

[mattebubben]

I have found the 27ER is similar range to the 530. I do find that the 530 is more easily defeated to chaff than the 27R however. I have not tried the AIM 7.

 

The 530 is easy to spoof atm.

 

But thats not the missiles fault.

 

But rather the Radar that has problems maintaining lock against targets that maneuver / release chaff.

 

Even a very slight turn can cause the radar to loose track.

 

And since the 530 is a Semi active missile it will just go dumb if the radar looses lock.

[jojo]

Currently there is a bug that makes the radar loose STT lock past 30 degrees offset left or right.

 

I analyzed numerous shot in Tacview, the missile track chaff instead of target despite good lock.

In Tacview you can clearly see that at some point, the missile home onto 1 specific chaff.

 

The same thing happens with ALL SARH missiles.

[IASGATG]

 

[Azrayen]

Hi IASGATG,

 

Would you by any chance be OK to add the Alamo A (R-27R) to you graph?

 

S-530D should indeed compare to both AIM-7 and Alamo A; from public sources, a bit better than the latter.

 

From you second graph, I guess the 530 currently isn't draggy enough (vs the Sparrow): I would guess the green curve should more or less join the blue one ~45 seconds.

 

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Az'

[IASGATG]

 

[Azrayen]

Thanks :)

 

At the beginning, looks good: more acceleration, higher top speed.

In the end, same feeling as before: the 530D should drag a bit more and its curve tend to rejoin the Sparrow's one.

I'm not surprised the Alamo A is below, that's consistent with what I heard.

 

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[jojo]

Something to take into account: missiles won't really maneuver anymore under M1.0 speed.

 

With 10 000ft/ M0.9 launch, the Super 530 won't be really effective past 35s/11Nm.

Which seems ok to me.

[IASGATG]

The problem is you're comparing them to ED's AIM-7M. The drag difference between the 7M and the 530D is probably quite minimal due to the better shape theory behind the 530D, but without CFD, wind tunnel or live fire testing of the 530D it's impossible to know for sure.

[Azrayen]

I admit it's gut's feeling only (+educated guesses), and yes I'm comparing to ED's missiles, because that's the environnement we have.

 

Let's assume you're right and the "better shape" of the 530D negates its bigger size vs the AIM-7 re: drag. So curves for the 530D and the Sparrow are OK.

 

Now, is it OK too that the 530D retains a higher speed than both the AIM-120 and the R-27ER at 45"?

 

Looks weird to me...

[jojo]

Now, is it OK too that the 530D retains a higher speed than both the AIM-120 and the R-27ER at 45"?

 

Looks weird to me...

 

Yes maybe, but in range Vs time they keep the edge other Super 530D.

Meaning that if you shoot at the same time AIM-120C or R-27ER Vs Super 530D, the Mirage will be killed before Super 530D hit, and missile lost.

Edited March 28, 2016 by jojo

[IASGATG]

I'll reiterate. If the AIM-7 was accurately modeled, we'd see it retain speed as well or better than the 530D in the game at the moment. This is equally true for the 27. The 120 should be a lot slicker than the 7M, 27R, 530D, but again since that isn't accurately represented in the game, we get the results we see.

 

Ultimately the question comes back to whether you want it accurately modeled, or fairly balanced compared to what is currently in the game. Everyone keeps saying they want accuracy over balance.

[flecha78]

m2000c active missile ?

[spiddx]

m2000c active missile ?

Nope, there is no such thing.

[mattebubben]

Nope, there is no such thing.

 

well technically the Magic II is an active missile ^^.

 

But yea.

 

No Active Radar guided missiles.

[spiddx]

well technically the Magic II is an active missile ^^.

 

Hmm, is it? It's guided passively by the target's heat signature, so no emissions from the missile which is how I understand active/passive. But maybe I'm wrong here. ;)

[*Rage*]

Active /= Fire and forget