Question about Super 530 missile lifetime

[Skjold]

Only on latest missiles like Meteor (not yet in service)...

 

Not really relevant, but AFAIK Meteors are in service with the Swedish AF.

45 second lifespan makes sense, i see no issue here. You can't compare a Super 530 with an amraam.

Edited May 10, 2016 by Skjold

[Azrayen]

The missile is too small for having a datalink package.

(worth precision: at this time & technology level; indeed MICA (smaller) have a datalink)

[Rlaxoxo]

Not really relevant, but Meteors are in service with the Swedish AF.

45 second lifespan makes sense, i see no issue here. You can't compare a Super 530 with an amraam.

 

Well I guess it makes sense in real life but this means that there is no way you're gonna be able to have even a slim chance of BVR vs a F-15 in DCS

[Azrayen]

1v1 head on, iso alt and AMRAAM-equipped F-15C?

 

No way you have a chance, and it's realistic, so it's meant to be reproduced in DCS.

 

Not 1v1?

Not head-on or iso-alt?

F-15C with Sparrows only?

Then you're beginning to talk... ;)

[Rlaxoxo]

1v1 head on, iso alt and AMRAAM-equipped F-15C?

 

No way you have a chance, and it's realistic, so it's meant to be reproduced in DCS.

 

Not 1v1?

Not head-on or iso-alt?

F-15C with Sparrows only?

Then you're beginning to talk... ;)

 

I get what you're saying

 

It's just a shame to see a missile that's right about to hit the target explode because it self destructs is all

[jojo]

I get what you're saying

 

It's just a shame to see a missile that's right about to hit the target explode because it self destructs is all

 

It can happen with just every missile if you launch too far. Especially if you launch head on and the target pumps (U turn).

 

It also happens to me in F-15 when trying to shoot evading target, despite launch zone I'm often too far with AIM-120.

[Rlaxoxo]

It can happen with just every missile if you launch too far. Especially if you launch head on and the target pumps (U turn).

 

It also happens to me in F-15 when trying to shoot evading target, despite launch zone I'm often too far with AIM-120.

 

Amramms have self destruct?

 

I don't remember seeing them ever exploding

[red_coreSix]

The AIM-120, at least in-game, has no self destruct. Their battery lasts longer than the missile is ever going to fly. Older missiles, like the Super 530, have limited electric or hydraulic power. The R-27 series of missiles, for example, runs out of hydraulic fluid after 60 seconds and can't move the control surfaces anymore...

[Frederf]

By using C++ magic. :smilewink:

But in all seriousness the real airplane must use the radar to track the outgoing missile.

[jojo]

SAM guiding missile by up command link usually have separate antenna to track missile or 2 way datalink.

 

The real plane certainly does an estimation based on altitude and target maneuvers.

However it would be huge task to emulate that for the little benefit of less accurate post launch count down. Doesn't worth to invest a lot of dev time in that.

So current C++ magic is fine for me.

Edited May 10, 2016 by jojo

[Zeus67]

But in all seriousness the real airplane must use the radar to track the outgoing missile.

 

Frankly, how the real aircraft does that is a secret so all I can do is guess. So the solution that I use is the best and it gives me the results that I need. So C++ magic does the job in this case.

[Azrayen]

But in all seriousness the real airplane must use the radar to track the outgoing missile.

Not a chance, the radar is in STT mode on the target at this time, no way it can "divert" to look for the outgoing missile.

[Frederf]

Or some beacon system? I should broaden my statement to say that it must be directly measuring the missile progress somehow.

 

The logic goes that if the pre-launch TOF prediction is rudimentary (distance average speed closure) and the post-launch TTI is sophisticated then the post launch information would not be purely estimated. Because if the post launch information is so superior, why not use it for pre launch display? The answer is it involves measurement of the actual missile in flight by some mechanism.

 

I can think of no other explanation of a sharp change in prediction fidelity during launch which is credible.

[jojo]

Or some beacon system? I should broaden my statement to say that it must be directly measuring the missile progress somehow.

 

The logic goes that if the pre-launch TOF prediction is rudimentary (distance average speed closure) and the post-launch TTI is sophisticated then the post launch information would not be purely estimated. Because if the post launch information is so superior, why not use it for pre launch display? The answer is it involves measurement of the actual missile in flight by some mechanism.

 

I can think of no other explanation of a sharp change in prediction fidelity during launch which is credible.

 

You are confusing real Mirage and Razbam M-2000C.

 

No one said in real post launch timer was more accurate than pre launch.

But it happens in DCS...that's all.